Series 1 Episode 7

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Something good for herself. You know, we all need those nights sometimes. Sometimes I take off, as you know, I go to other places and got to do things. Well, Jen, as well, has got a really busy schedule tonight. And I said, okay, I can hold the fort. We don't need to cancel the show. Well, I can still do it. I think I can talk for two hours. I had a guest lined up. There was a young lady. Her name was Christy McDougal. She is a breath worker, life coach, spiritual healer. She's got a lot of little titles all over the place. But she canceled at the last minute. She canceled at the last minute? Well, yeah, anyway. Anyway, that was Robert playing with his microphone, but I did get another guest, and we got Robert Wide. Yes. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Hello, everybody. It's lovely to be here. And yes, Silva asked me at the last minute. So it's really exciting this is, seeing the whole new setup we've got here. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like you normally say, you know, the universe will provide whatever you need. I was stuck without a guest, and Robert sends me a message, and I go, cool, I'll ask him. So it's just as good. I've known Robert for quite some time. He does a lot of spiritual work and that. So the best way to do it is to let Robert talk about Robert. Okay, here's Robert. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Okay. Yes, my name's Robert White. As Silver has already told you, I've been doing various spiritual things since I was probably. Oh, about. How can we say, probably about 3 years old. I think it's one of those things you. I either you either have it or you don't. From a very early age. So I was communicating with spirits in the backyard. And, yes, I was telling my mother things that I couldn't possibly have known when I wasn't in the house. So, yeah, my mother sort of think, yes, I have a special child here. [00:02:11] Speaker A: But what. Give us an example. What. What kind of things were you sort of seeing or hearing or feeling? [00:02:17] Speaker B: Well, I did have one spirit that I used to see. See, like I see everybody else. [00:02:21] Speaker A: Yep. [00:02:22] Speaker B: And one of the things about that was she looked very real to me. I couldn't tell the difference between her and my parents and my brother and all that sort of thing. And she used to just tell things to me. I mean, you know, it's so long ago, I can't remember what the exact substances of what she said was. But I know that there was one day. I remember the day when she said, I have to leave. And I said, why do you have to Leave. And she says, well, you've got to live this life and you've got to grow up. So I, you know, have to. Have to go and do what I have to do. So. So I'm hoping that ability will come back one day. But as it goes now, I. I sense and I feel spirits around me, and I don't necessarily see them, although on the odd occasion I do. [00:03:10] Speaker A: That's wonderful. Yeah, it's kind of interesting, you know, because a lot of people don't realize that there's a lot of children out there that are gifted, but it's just they don't get the opportunity to have anyone to talk to or anyone that will believe what they say, you know. And me as a child, I mean, I was fairly young when I started, and I used to come and tell lots of stories to my dad about different things and stuff like that. And in South America, of course, that's accepted. You know, it's okay because it is a very spiritual country. I'm very fortunate that my first 13 years of my life I was living in a continent that's very spiritual. So it was acceptable to be psychic. If you weren't psychic, there was something wrong with you. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:03:57] Speaker A: You weren't normal. You know, we're here. When I came to Australia is the opposite. You know, it's like people think people that are psychic are weird. It's strange, you know, but we all have to forgive. We all being born. I'm a believer that we're all being born with a gift of some sort. It's just a case of finding and connecting to that gift. But the spiritual world is very much like the normal world. I believe that not everybody's going to be a reader. Not everybody's going to be a psychic. Not everybody's going to do this luck in the normal. Not everybody's going to be a carpenter or a plumber. We're all going to have our own little gift and our own little thing. But the reason that is is so we can all support each other and work together and be there to strengthen one another. You know, it's not a competition. It's actually there for support. What's your thoughts on that, Robert? [00:04:45] Speaker B: Well, I mean, yeah, just adding to that. I mean, I think I was very fortunate that I had a mother that didn't, like. She didn't encourage it, but she didn't discourage it. She says, oh, yeah, that's nice sort of thing. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Okay, that's nice, dear. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah, but. But at least, you know, I've heard Stories of people like, you know that. Because they've come from a very religious background. Yes. And you know, they've been slapped around the head or shouted at or, you know, or told that they're evil or stuff like that. So, you know, when they've got a very naturally occurring gift happening for them, you know. And so, yes, I think it's, it's. I think it's, we're in a wonderful time where there's far more awareness, particularly in Western society, and more acceptance. And there's also people that are wanting to actually do research on things like mediaship. Parapsychology is the field that looks into it all. And so I think it's really good that we now are living in an age where, you know, there is more openness and more willingness to explore it. Because I think a lot of people don't realize that back in the days of late Victorian era, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was very much into spiritualism. And they're actually doing a lot of scientific inquiry into spiritual things during that time. So we became more scientific as we headed into the 21st century and for 20th century, I should say. And when we headed to that time, the world was more interested in scientific discovery and basically that was pushed to one side. But we're now coming back to this time time where they're starting to study these things again. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean there's many traditions like the, the Jewish, for example, they used to have a matchmaker, they used to go to a psychic that would actually will look for a perfect partner for someone and they will do the research and see and study people. And that, that's, that's a subject that actually really interests me and I've done a fair bit of that. I do use numerology and I do use of serving people and see how I can match them in that. I've had quite a few successful stories and I quite like that. But I mean, that just goes to show that's one of the professions, you know, that they have that. I mean, there was kings and queens that used to have an advice and a spiritual advisor. You know, they weren't part of any religion as such. They were just connected to spirit and the blessings of the gods, as they used to call it. You know, the Egyptians are very well known that had many gods and many things that people communicate and sacrifices and traditions and cultures. So it's. Spirituality is nothing new really, but it's something's been around for, for many, many, many years, for very, very long time. Well, when I came to Australia. Being psychic was illegal in Australia. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Yes, it was. [00:07:41] Speaker A: And it was illegal until 1985 and then. Then become legal. Then you could be a psychic and you could be okay. It's all right. But there are two. Two states in Australia. They're still illegal. [00:07:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:57] Speaker A: You know, so it's like you still got to be careful. You still gotta be careful, but you also gotta be aware that you gotta be very careful the way you. You do this as well. So we're gonna go for a song, and it'll be from Annie, the movie Annie Tomorrow. And then we'll come back and talk to Robert some more. How about that? [00:08:19] Speaker B: Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL Radio tomorrow. Yes. [00:08:29] Speaker A: What a beautiful word. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Yes. I love that song. [00:08:32] Speaker A: I do, too. I mean, it's got such a strong message and it's got such a strong connection with life in general. [00:08:38] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:08:39] Speaker A: You know, I mean, we. We focus so much in the past and we grow up talking about the past all the time and dealing with the past, but we. We don't stop to think that it's a tomorrow and tomorrow would be greater, you know, as long as you don't bring your rubbish up with you. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's actually kind of interesting. It's a good song. There's a lot of new versions about it, which is kind of good enough. I like them all, but it's good to. Good to be aware of that as well. So apart from readings, Robert, what else do you do? I mean, what else have you got to offer people if they wanted to do something with you? What. What kind of things can you offer? [00:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I also do astrology. I've been studying it since I was eight years old. So. Yeah, that's more than a couple of decades. [00:09:29] Speaker A: Yep, yep, Yep. Yeah. He's 22. [00:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Plus, plus, plus, plus, yes. With GST. Anyway, yeah, so I look at. Astrology is very, very involved. [00:09:42] Speaker A: I don't understand it at all. You've tried explaining to me a hundred times. And I go, this is Dutch. I mean, and I don't speak Dutch, but I, I find it very interesting. [00:09:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, look, it's, it's, look, it's not for everybody in terms of, you know, but, you know, Silver, like a lot of people, has her forte in certain areas. That's one that I like. I can do. I look at your chart, basically look at what your strengths and weaknesses are. I can look at what's coming up for you. There's a thing that they Call transit. So we compare your chart from when you were born to where all the, you know, moons, where the moon is and where all the other planets are in the sky. So the relationship between now and then can tell you a lot of information and yeah, just going to in depth. Also looking at other people that are in your life. It's. It's a thing called synestry, which basically means that you're comparing two people's charts and looking what, you know, how things work together, where they may have conflict and all that sort of thing. If you can just imagine astrology charts a bit like a pizza. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:58] Speaker B: And it's been cut up into 12 different slices. Okay. And those different slices are different aspects of your life. So what happens, you give an astrologer time and place of birth, and from your time of birth, that's your rising sign. Rising sign is start of your first piece of pizza. And you'd go all around. It's all calculated. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Yep. [00:11:19] Speaker B: So like your first house is your physical body, second house is your finances, third house is how you communicate, etc. Etc. So you can glean a lot of information from someone's birth chart just to begin with. So that's one of the other things I do. I do combine it with numerology. I have a system that I have used for the last 30 years and formulated. I do have three books that I refer to, but it's only part of those three books that are my mainstay for how I interpret numerology because not all the things I agree with because in field experience, it's not my experience that those aspects have worked. So I basically formulated my own version, which I think I'm getting ready to think about publishing my own book with my own method. So look forward to that because that's probably something I'm going to do next year. [00:12:18] Speaker A: That's good. I know a good publisher that can help you with that. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Oh, wonderful. [00:12:22] Speaker A: And she can. She's very supportive and she's really into wellness and all that. So she'll have a bit of understanding of that. And Bush Publishing production, it's a Western Australian company and they're very supportive of people that are trying to get that project going and, and help them out from the beginning to the end. And they will look after you very, very well. It happens to be my daughter. But no, that's okay. She's very good at her job. And it's, and it's a fact, you know, you never, you never recommend anybody that is not good at what they do. Because you don't want to. You don't want to damage your. Your reputation. I'm trying to find the page for the show, which is all things. Okay. So I'm gonna put my phone number on our page. So if you want to send me a text on my phone, you'd be most welcome to do. So that we can ask Robert if you like, and you can ask him anything at all. My number, I'll do it as I write it. I'll tell you what it is. It's 045715, 9276. That is my phone number. So I'll say tell it to you again, is 04571 5-9276. And one more for good luck. 04571 5-9276. Feel free to text me on that. And if I see your text, I'll certainly will pass it on to. To Robert and ask him questions, whatever question you want to ask. Okay. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Anyway, some of the other things that I do is I do do tarot and I do tarot. And it's a pace of using the tarot, tuning into the person's energy and what comes through from spirit when I do my readings. So I combine all those different things. When people come to me for reading, it's not a generic one, size fits all. Okay. Everybody gets what they need. I also have had a background in working with people with difficulties. So there's often like a lot of counseling. Very aware of issues that people face. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Is that like a holistic counseling or. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Yeah, more like. Like, I mean, I. Yep. Have awareness of certain things on psychological level with people, patterns within people's life. We can find that if you have learned things, if you've come from a difficult family life, you learn what is difficult seems to be normal for you. So you go up and recreate those sort of difficulties in life unless you do the work on yourself. Okay. Yeah, it's things like, you know, addictions, alcoholism, all that sort of thing. So it's like, you know, there are other things that come into a reading, if as applicable. So, you know, it's not just, you know, my psychic stuff sometimes. It's also giving people practical tools to work with situations or pointing them in direction. Like, you know, there's lots of wonderful counseling courses for people like adult children of alcoholics or, you know, they just go through all the. How it affects people when you grow up in that environment and all that sort of thing. So. So there's an awareness of that and. And where possible, I do refer people on to other areas that can help with that in greater detail. [00:15:50] Speaker A: That's why over here at the IPL we do promote a lot of heads. Headspace. You know, we do do a lot of counseling, a lot of help. People can call any of us really, and talk to us and it'd be confidential. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:03] Speaker A: And we'll give you the help that whatever you might need, we not. We won't be able to solve your problems, but we can help you find the clarity and, and help you translate it. And you will, you will solve it yourself once you reach understanding. Because one of the biggest thing is that people think they can go and get help and it'd be done for them. But that is not the case. [00:16:22] Speaker B: No, it's not. It's not. Yeah, you have to do the work, you know? Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like. Well, it's like the old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. [00:16:31] Speaker A: That's right. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Okay. Or there's the, you know, the old joke about how many psychologists or psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb one, because the light. But the light bulb has to want to change, you know? [00:16:43] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:16:44] Speaker B: But yeah, so it is sort of like holistic and we look at, you know, what the individual person who comes to see me needs, and I'm one of these people. If I feel that you're better served by someone who's more specialized than me, another reader or whatever, then I refer the person on. So it's about, you know, the person sitting in that seat is actually cared for. And that's the most important thing from my point of view. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's very, very important. I'm glad that he actually covered that because people need to know that, you know, to ask for help is not a sign of weakness. No, it's a sign of self appreciation and self value and self respect. If you respect yourself, you will reach out and get some help, you know, so don't ever be embarrassed to. To reach out and get help because that's what people are there for, you know, you'd be surprised who would help you. [00:17:36] Speaker B: Oh, exactly. [00:17:36] Speaker A: You know, and if someone doesn't know how to help you, they will know exactly who to direct you to. They say, look, you know, I don't know that person. [00:17:43] Speaker B: So, yeah, it's. There's nothing worse than leaving people hanging like a shag on a rock. [00:17:47] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. You know, and no one's perfect. Which is a good thing. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:17:52] Speaker A: You know, because if you were perfect you wouldn't be here anyway. [00:17:54] Speaker B: No, that's. Would be. [00:17:55] Speaker A: You know, you would have checked that a long time ago. And so it's actually quite interesting. So. So you do counseling, you do tarot reading, you do astrology. Anything else in your basket? [00:18:06] Speaker B: And numerology as well. [00:18:07] Speaker A: And numerology, yeah. Talk a bit about that. [00:18:12] Speaker B: I've been using that sort of as an adjunct a lot of the time. It can really give me a. Because there's. How I do numerology is I work on the person's first name. Okay. Because I consider that that's the. The vibration that you come in on. That's the name that everybody uses. I do take into account if you have a nickname or if you have a shortened version of your name on. [00:18:33] Speaker A: A good day or on a bad day. All depends what. When you're in. Yeah, that's right. [00:18:36] Speaker B: No, it's just to look at it all. But like, if you have a nickname that's used about as much as your real name, then that. That has an effect as well. I use people's date of birth. Okay. And I look at the cycles that are in. Everybody has to cycle from 1 to 9. So in the. A yearly cycle of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. And looking at where they are. Because certain things get put under the microscope when they're in a certain numerological year. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:02] Speaker B: So, for example, a five year is travel and communication. And things can come out of left field. Okay. A six year can be relationships. A two year. Yeah. Can be about relationships, but that's more all of them. Six is about relationships. Your intimate relationship and your family. Yep. So it's just looking at where they are at, also letting people know what the universal number is. And this year we've been in a nine year. Nine year is about winding things up and endings. Okay. Also look at the numbers of 20, 25. The number two is again about relationships. Okay. It's about the feminine. So we've got two twos in this year. So we've got a double dose of that. We've got zero. A zero is the number of power and it either increases or lessens depending on you put it one side over one, it' ten put it the other side as 0.1. [00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:51] Speaker B: So we've got that energy happening. So you've got. And then you've got the five year, which is, you know, travel, communication, then another two. Right. We've got two twos. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we've got two twos. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I think we've got a double. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, sorry I missed that. Okay. [00:20:05] Speaker B: That's right. And we've got the number five, which is the, the changeable, you know, the wild card, communication, travel. It's the number of Mercury, which is a ruler of Gemini and Virgo in astrology. So you've got all of that happening. So there's lots and lots of. It's a nine year of endings, two double toasted, two a zero. So it's a very powerful year as well in terms of people and their relationships to each other. So like a lot of associations can end. Yep. A lot of associations breaking up. A lot of like big things coming to the surface. Yep. And in my field experience of this last year, there's so many people who've gone through a really big major changes and endings this year. So it's just the precursor for next year because next year is a one year and we're going to go into new beginnings. So a lot of wonderful things starting next year. [00:20:59] Speaker A: I really love the, the number nine that this year's been the number nine because to me, you know, it's all about acknowledging that a cycle is coming to an end. But not without teaching you and you experiences everything you needed to experience. And it's so wonderful to, to know that you're reaching a final chapter. Oh, absolutely. In your life. And next year is the number one, you know, and you'll be starting a new chapter. But you know, a lot of people, they don't know how to let go of a lot of things and they do carry stuff onto the one later on. So how would you advise people to learn how not to carry the load further than what they need to? [00:21:44] Speaker B: I think it's a good day. Just sit down. It's like have a clean out. And that can be a clean out of like writing down all the things that are bugging you. Writing it all down and burning it. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker B: Okay. Having a clean out in your house, reassessing all your relationships that you have in your life, which ones need to go and which ones need to stay. I would just be saying to people, it's like, it's okay, you know, you don't have to carry everything around you on a back like a camel. You know your life, you know it. It's a lesson, not a sentence. You can let go of it. [00:22:17] Speaker A: That, that's really good. That's a good idea. I think it's very important, you know. Now meditation. I know you do meditation. You haven't mentioned that yet. Let's get on to that meditation. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Yes. I was very, very fortunate for a few months to be running meditation classes, which I'd like to be running again sometime soon. I've done a lot of different meditation techniques through a lot of different modalities, a diff. A lot of different schools of thought. So, you know, things like meditation is not just shutting your eyes and going om. Okay. There's a lot more to it than that. You can do things open eye, you can do things focusing on candles. You can do a standing meditation, walking meditation. There's so many different types of meditation. Even if you sit at the local park and you are watching the birds fly over and the ducks on the duck pond and listening to the wind and the. The water in the pond, that's a form of meditation too, because all meditation is. Is a altered state of consciousness. But there are benefits to doing regular meditation. Even if you can do it 10 minutes every day, you can find that you have a lot more calmness, a lot more focus. So, yes, there's lots of benefits and there's lots of physiological benefits from doing meditation as well. People who have blood pressure problems can find that their blood pressure lowers and often it's a lot of mental clarity from regular meditation. [00:23:52] Speaker A: So there's a lot of health benefits to meditation, would you say? [00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. It's often recommended, you know, to people with blood pressure is like just spend that time being calm. Particularly one of these people who's a go getter and gets very stressed and, you know, lives on adrenaline. It's a good thing to just take that time out and just take even 10 minutes just to breathe. Even. Just like slowing your breathing down, just sitting down. Okay, I'm taking a moment. Close your eyes. Breathe in through your nose slowly and breathe out slowly just three times. Just giving yourself that one minute can make difference. [00:24:37] Speaker A: So what do you think it's the best way to start the day if you want to start with a meditation? [00:24:44] Speaker B: Well, to a lot of my clients, I do recommend you get a tea light candle. You put it about one and a half arm lengths away from you. Yeah. Put on some ambient music. So by that meaning some peaceful music, you know, like whatever New Agey type music that's really quite calming. And just focus on the candle flame for the 10 minutes. And when you get distracted, just go back to the flame. Get distracted, Go back to the flame. You can just do that for 10 minutes in the morning. And if you can do it three weeks straight without interruption, you'll find that generally you'll be quite calmer you'll be calmer to begin with. But that consistent practice of meditation can make you a lot calmer and a lot more able to deal with the things that might come up unexpectedly because, you know, you're not sort of like a cat on a hot tin root because you've got so much going on and you're not taking a moment. And we have, I think it's really important this day and age because we have so many things that distract it. We have mobile phones, we have our computers, you know, we have, you know, everything. Even advertising these days. We're bombarded with it. Yep. And people are in overload. Like people are looking at their phones so often, you know, that, you know, they're like even, you know, not getting sleep because, you know, they get distracted in the middle of the night. They decide to look at what's on their phone. [00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:06] Speaker B: And our minds need downtime even more so than any other time and that, that we live in at the moment. So yes, it's very good just to do that. Ten minutes a day, you will notice a difference. [00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I started my day every morning with a 10 minute silent. A space that I just allow myself to listen to the silent. But sometimes I'll dog bark and ruin it for me. But on an average day I just sit there and, and then I have quite a. As long as I can with silence. And when the dog's back then I start talking positive about my day and about what I want to do and how I feel about me. I start in a real positive way. I do not turn the TV on because I don't want to listen to the news or anything like that. I don't want to hear anything negative that's going to affect me. I don't scroll through Facebook first thing in the morning. I don't, I don't. I try not to touch the phone as much as possible. [00:27:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Unless it rings. But otherwise I just try not to reach out for the phone just to start the day. I really mean myself. I believe that the first half an hour of the day is so important to invest it in yourself to help you bring the newness and bring the strength into your life according to what you need, you personally need. You know, because otherwise we, we're reaching out to the external all the time and then it's not our thought then, you know, we need to be aware of that. Okay, so we're going to go into a song and this one, I've never heard it before but I, I thought I was looking For Healing Hands by Olivia John. But I could not find it in the. In the music list here, so. But I came across another one. This says Healing Hands and it's by Conrad Sewell. I don't even know who Conrad Sewell is, but I'm sure he's a nice guy, you know, I'm sure he's singing a good song. So here we are. Healing Hands by Conrad. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL Radio. [00:28:08] Speaker A: You know, about the. Know we are the voice, you know, and I. I actually play that song and every music we play, we try and connect it to something normally. And that song for me is like, it's all about being heard and being in power and being control and know that, you know, you are the voice and your opinion matters. Yeah. You know, and you need to be heard. Everybody needs to be heard. From the smallest of person to the eldest person, they all need to be heard. Because every life is important as far as I'm concerned anyway. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Absolutely. And I think we really need to. A lot of people have to find their voice. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Me included. I'm still in the process of getting there. There's a lot of long way I've come with it, but I still have work to do on it, so. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:59] Speaker B: But, you know, it's. It is important that people are heard. And I think in this world, it's like, you know, everybody has a right to be here. Everybody has a right to their opinion and everybody has a right to express it. And I think we need to remind ourselves of that. [00:29:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's really hard, you know, because bullying has come part of so, so much part of fashion. And that's how a lot of people lose their voice, through being bullied, through being mistreated, through being misjudged. You know, people don't know the whole story about someone, and they tend to make an opinion and make decisions on it, you know, and I think it's something we need to look into and understand that not everybody is in the same page and we need to accept people to be in their pages. [00:29:43] Speaker B: You know, it's something that's come to the fore in workplaces and in schools and all that sort of thing. So it is something that is on their radar and hopefully they'll make some inroads in dealing with it as an issue. [00:29:58] Speaker A: You know, I never actually form an opinion on anybody until I've met them five times. A lot of it is because sometimes when you meet people for the first time, there could be something happening. They Might not be able to give you their best. They might not be able to give you their true selves because they've got to build a sense of trust and to get to know you. So sometimes people do give you the bad impression the first time, but it's not that they mean to do that. It's just that they are nervous, they are concerned. You know, a lot of people suffer from anxiety. There's just so many factors. They tend to affect people. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:33] Speaker A: You know, and then you meet in the second time and it gets a little bit easier, and maybe that things are still there, but not as bad. And by the third time, you're starting to see the Persona coming through that space that I feel that by the fifth time that you see them, it's like they are really more genuine to. To who they are with themselves. And then you can say, yes, I want that person as part of my life, but it doesn't mean people are bad or good in my eyes. All right, you might feel different, but to me, it's not a case of people being good or bad. Cu. Some people I will connect with, and some people I will be friends. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:09] Speaker A: And some people I won't, for whatever reason, you know, but even if someone that I don't connect to, if they ask me for help, I will still help them. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Oh, exactly. Exactly. [00:31:20] Speaker A: You know, and if I'm able to. If I'm not able to, then I would say, look, I don't think I'm the right person. You need to maybe talk to this. I give them a list of person they might be able to help you. But I don't feel that I'm the right person. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. I think one of my favorite phrases that I repeat to myself very often is don't judge a person by the chapter that you walked in on. Sometimes they may not be having a really good chapter of their life at that time. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:31:48] Speaker B: You don't. Was it. Never judge people by the small amount that you know and the small amount you can see, because that's often a very, very small part. [00:31:58] Speaker A: That's right. [00:31:59] Speaker B: And people are different in of terms, different spheres of their life as well. You know, like how somebody is at work can be completely different, how they are at home or how they are with their group of friends. So, yeah, you know, it depends on what context that you meet someone in. [00:32:13] Speaker A: And never judge anybody according to someone else's opinion either. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:32:18] Speaker A: You know, like, you might come up to me and say, hi, so, you know, you really shouldn't be with Jenny. And I will say, well, Robert, Jenny's been good to me, so I'm hanging in there. When she does something to me directly, then I will reassess it. But I would never make a decision on someone because someone else, I would take that on point and say, okay, I'll be cautious. Okay, there must be a reason. But I will always give everybody a fair go. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I think, you know, if someone that doesn't know me forms an opinion on me based on somebody else's opinion of me. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:56] Speaker B: Well, I think that the person who said something about me behind my back will. They've done me a favor, because if that person doesn't find out who I am off their own back. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:06] Speaker B: And just take somebody else's word. They're really not somebody that I want to be. [00:33:10] Speaker A: I agree with that. I agree with that. [00:33:12] Speaker B: You know, and I think in this world, yes, you have to be discerning. Like I said to some. I was working at a psychic fair on the weekend, and I said to someone, you know, you cannot judge a person by just this small amount that, you know. But the other thing I've also said to the person was, like, well, you know, I care about the other person that's sitting on the other side of my table. I may not like them. They. They see things that sort of go against. But they're here, and for that amount of time, they get my care. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:52] Speaker B: And even beyond that. And I say that the day that I can't care about the person on the other side of the counter, regardless of who they are or where they come from or what they're about, is the day that I step back and don't do what I do. [00:34:05] Speaker A: I agree with you 100%. I'm a bit that way. You know, whoever's across the table, that at that moment, that is the most important person at that moment, you know. But then I'll also tell them, don't ask me in an hour later what I said to you, because I will not remember it. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:34:23] Speaker A: I don't retain anything of that person. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Oh, no. I'm exactly the same because I'm delivering a message. [00:34:28] Speaker A: And, you know, can you imagine if you did, though? I mean, God, you know, your head would explode. It would not be a good thing at all. It would not be a good thing at all. [00:34:39] Speaker B: You know, but, you know, I think, you know, so it's just like, you know, I know I have friends who've been readers, and I know that they have got to the point they're a bit burnt out. I had one friend in particular that used to read at a market here in Perth and she'd been reading there for quite some time. Very good person, very good at her work. But she basically got burnt out and you know, she was being unpleasant to her friends. [00:35:08] Speaker A: That's been good. [00:35:08] Speaker B: She was taking far too much of it on board. And I said to my friend, look, you have to get out of here, you need to go away, you need to do other things for a while. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Or just step back, you need a break. [00:35:21] Speaker B: And took her a couple of months but she did and now she doesn't work at fairs, she doesn't, doesn't work at markets. She now has her clientele that she does at home and she's much happier for doing it. Yeah, she said it was the best thing that she did, you know, and I think, you know, it's like anything. It's like if you work in emergency department or if you're an ambulance driver or if you work in welfare services, people do get burnt out. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Of course I do. [00:35:48] Speaker B: And I think it's like all of us, no matter who we are, whether it's the work that you and I do, seldom, we have to always be mindful of our own self care first. Because if you don't fill your own cup, you know, you can't fill anybody else's. [00:36:03] Speaker A: Yeah. One thing I am going to tell people is do not apply for written readings from people. I tell you why, I've got a good reason. I'm not saying that every psychic that write an email on a reading is doing it. But there are some psychics that are using AI for a reading and that is just so wrong because you're not getting a reading. No, you're getting a computer. A computer written story about yourself. And what they do is like psychic. You see that you will be able to know the psychic that are using the eye because they will ask you a couple of questions and they will say could you just give me your date of birth, that's important and give me your full name and give me your address and where did you grow up as a child to help me connect to a little bit more and what kind of hobbies do you like? They will ask you question and of course some people, they don't click, they go. So you give them just that little, little shadow and then they put all that information to AI like self. A Dutton likes dancing, does not drink. A bit flaky. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah, whatever, whatever. [00:37:39] Speaker A: And they put the information into AI and then they Press a button and voila, you got a two page reading about that person. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Oh, exactly. [00:37:49] Speaker A: And they're charging you ready for this? $400 for that. Now that is just so disrespectful to people, but so disrespectful to our profession. [00:38:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:05] Speaker A: You know, if you cannot see that psychic doing the reading in front of you, don't bother because some of them are even actually doing it over the phone. They're talking to you on the phone and they're typing on their computer and they're getting information from it. In this world today with AI, please be careful. You know, I encourage people to either see that the psychic there in person or video call. So you can see the person and you can see what the hands are doing. You can see what everything's doing. So please be very, very careful. [00:38:45] Speaker B: I've experimented with it. Not to use, but to see how effective it is. [00:38:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:50] Speaker B: I did it with astrology. And I said, okay, here's my birth data. Tell me my chart. Tell me what planets are and what signs and what the houses are, what my ascendant is. All those. [00:39:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:01] Speaker B: That I know because I do astrology. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:03] Speaker B: They get it wrong. Yeah. Okay. A lot of it's wrong. Okay. And I just test it out. So, okay, do tarot reading the other day. And it's always positive. It's always the positives. It's always what you want to hear. It's naturally. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Naturally. [00:39:16] Speaker B: Okay. So it doesn't, you know, because it's also got a duty of care built into it, that it's not going to do anything that's going to upset people or make them self harm. [00:39:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:26] Speaker B: So if you're sort of like in a real desperate scenario, which is the worst scenario, if you're like, you know, just being dumped by your boyfriend, you. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Know, the world's ending. [00:39:34] Speaker B: The world's ending. You know, is my boyfriend going to come back? Of course he's going to be coming back. Okay. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Yes. He realized the error of his way and he can see that you're a beautiful soul. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And it's just, it's just, you have to understand, understand that it is a very, very clever idiot. And it's got parameters programmed into it. And, you know. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:54] Speaker B: If someone's charging $400 when they're not really doing any work at all. No, I think that's disgusting. [00:40:01] Speaker A: You know, it's like the poor finger presses the button. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:40:05] Speaker A: And it doesn't get anything. [00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Not even a ring to Put in it. [00:40:09] Speaker B: No, so. So I'm glad you brought that up because, you know, it causing a lot of difficulty in a lot of different areas. Not just what we do. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:20] Speaker B: But like people are relying on it rather than their own brain power and their own ability. And I think that's. Number one, it's lazy. [00:40:27] Speaker A: Yep. [00:40:28] Speaker B: Number two, it's unethical. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:30] Speaker B: So I think you. I'm glad that you brought that up because I wasn't aware that that was going on either. [00:40:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, you're not learning anything. I mean, like, I've had my. One of my granddaughters that goes to uni was telling me there are some kids that are cheating and actually getting their assessments written by AI, you know, and I said, you don't do that. Mum will kill me if I do. You know, the thing is that you're not helping yourself to learn and to really put into practice what you're learning and be able to understand it. The teachers need to know that you're understanding what you're taught. That's what they need you to write these assignments so they can see. Oh, yes, she is learning, she is looking into it. If you get AI writing a feeling, I said, God, this kid is really clever. And the next thing, the teacher starts talking you in a higher level because you have given such a good assignment and then you go, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. Because they never written it. [00:41:25] Speaker B: You know, it's an issue now. And they're actually four teachers that apparently working. Working on software that can tell that someone has used AI or Chat beat gbt. So, yeah, you know. Yeah, it's like, you know. Yeah, yeah. [00:41:41] Speaker A: But in the meantime, people are getting burned, they're getting used and that's right. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Well, really what goes around comes around and you know, it'll bite on. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Yep. It is no good at all. No good at all. Which is actually very important. So it's really good to actually concentrate on the truth of things. You know, you've got to be able to see the person talking to you and being there and be present. So it. To prevent people to do AI on video when they talk to you prior to the appointment, don't give them nothing, you know, do not give them nothing said. No. When we get together at the time of the appointment, I will give you my name and my date of birth there and then. So then, you know that, oh, they gotta, they gotta do it right there and in front of you. It's. It's very, very important because There are a lot of people that are getting burnt and they're getting used in that area. And it's kind of sad that that's actually happening. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's. The equivalent prior to AI is like, you know, someone doing a tarot reading and getting the little booklet out of the thing to do the reading with. You know, this card means this. This card means this. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, there was. Well, I had a girl that actually wanted to do readings from my healing center in Collie once, you know, and she came and she brought her laptop, right. And I thought, oh, maybe she's going to play her own music or something. I understand. I will turn mine off. And. And then the lady they had a reading with, Silva, she was typing in the card on the computer, looking up the meaning of it. Yeah, I don't want to pay her. No. And I said, well, don't pay her, you know, because she obviously didn't do the reading. She just obviously not experienced enough to do the reading, you know. So the girl came in and said, look, I'm sorry, you're going to have to pack your stuff and go because you cannot do readings with a computer. I. I only want psychics and tarot readers, and here in the shop that can do it. Not that they're just learning on the computer. You can't expect people to pay you good money and you don't know what you're doing. [00:43:53] Speaker B: You have to have done the work differently with Tara. You've got to learn the meanings. But it's not just the meanings. Sometimes the symbolism on those cards can tell you a whole different story. [00:44:01] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:44:02] Speaker B: It's where your intuition and your psychic ability comes into play. It's a trick tool to point you in a direction. [00:44:08] Speaker A: That's right. Because you've got to be able to connect each card to the other card. And it's like a picture story, you know, so that's actually. It's very, very important. You know, it's so, so important. [00:44:18] Speaker B: And, you know, you know, it's confusing. Oh, this card could mean this, or it could mean this, or it could mean this or could mean this. But that's not showing any ability. It's like, okay, that's a feeling that this represents for you, you this, and this card is saying this. [00:44:34] Speaker A: And I'm feeling as well, because it's all about feeling. The energy of the person that is there with you that's connecting to the cards and actually explaining and translating it all into that area. So, so important. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Darling, go home, do the Work, learn things properly and then come back. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't seen her since about eight, nine years ago and. And I'm hoping to catch up with them one day. And, you know, anyway, we're going to play one of Robert's requests now, and the song is no Matter what by Boy Zone. Now, what does that song mean to you, Robert, before we play it? [00:45:07] Speaker B: Well, it's just no matter what it's like saying, you know, it's how spirit views us, you know, it likes us. No matter where we're at, who we are or where we're going in life, it'll always be there for us. So this to me is what the song represents. Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL radio. [00:45:32] Speaker A: In my life, that's. I wasn't listening to that. It was in my life that was playing by Dragon. I really like that. I'm sure in my life, I'm sure that song is Stephen Giles, if you're listening. Did the Beatles used to sing that song? In My Life, the Dragon just sang. I'm sure. I'm sure they did. And. And I'm sure the Beatles also got a song, don't let the good life pass you by as well. But I could be wrong as well. But in my life, I really like that version of Dragon. I've never heard about Dragon before, and I'm sure I have heard about the Beatles. And Steven. Stephen Giles we had as a guest last week, and he's a bit of a Beatles fanatic, so we got to play a lot of the songs last week. It was actually kind of good. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the Beatles, I love them. They're one of my favorite bands as well. [00:46:29] Speaker A: I just love music, you know, music has got so much power. [00:46:34] Speaker B: Oh, it certainly does. [00:46:35] Speaker A: You know, it's such a healing tool, you know, And I'm not talking just meditation music. I mean, normal everyday music. Yeah, normal everyday music. You can actually connect to it. And I mean, you. You can guarantee having a bad day, you turn the radio and go, there's that song. I don't want to listen to that song. You know, it's making me think, you know, so it happens every time. [00:46:56] Speaker B: I. [00:46:56] Speaker A: To me, it happens all the time, you know, and you go, oh, do I have to listen to that? You know, so it's actually kind of interesting, you know, where there's ways of so many different ways of healing out there, not just by people receiving it, but also there's so much work you can do on yourself by doing that. I remember when my husband Passed away. I think for the first six months, I. I listened to so much music about different things, and I did a purpose to make it trigger. It made me think. It made me deal with what, the pain that I was going through. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:47:32] Speaker A: Because it was so deep that I. I didn't want to bother my kids. They got their own suffering and their own lives, and. And my friends were all just too busy in the life, and, you know, I just. I was just too proud to ask for help. So I let music do it until, you know, a friend did come along and said, come on, let's sort you out, you know, and I'm really glad that that happened. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Well, there's two things that will evoke memories very quickly with people. The first one is this sense of smell. If you remember, a smell will take you back for sure. Okay. And the second thing is music, because you play, if there's certain songs that have happened at certain times, happy or sad, it will bring back those memories very quickly. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, and I think that was probably a good way, Sola, because it ground everything up. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And it doesn't have to be a sad song. Sometimes it's a happy song. [00:48:22] Speaker B: That's right. [00:48:22] Speaker A: You know, but. Because it triggers a memory. Like every time I hear the Michael Jackson song, you know, don't Blame it on the moonlight. [00:48:30] Speaker B: But I mean, you know, blame it on the boogie. [00:48:32] Speaker A: On the boogie. I mean, that was the first dance I ever had with my husband. So when he. When he. When he passed, you know, I could swear to God every time I turned the radio when it was freaking radio. [00:48:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:42] Speaker A: What a song. Is that the only song you got? And I just. I would just cry. It's such a happy song. But I just cried my eyes out. It's just like it. YouTube really hit me. [00:48:52] Speaker B: Well, the other thing about songs, too, and this happens to me a lot, because another thing that I do do is I've. In spiritualist churches, I've been a platform medium for those people who don't know. A platform meeting is someone who stands up and gives messages from people who have passed over. In the spiritualist church, they believe that we communicate with spirits. I believe we can as well. And a lot of the time, sometimes information comes through. I get given a song, and I get given a song, and it plays in my head. I can hear it. And certain phrases in certain songs are given to people in the service or when I'm doing mediumship. So it's really interesting. And I can remember there was a TV Series called Medium. And it was like, you know, he was highly Hollywoodized, you know, a bit over the top and all that sort of thing. But she had one episode where this spirit was trying to communicate with her and she had this song in her head and it was played at full bore and she couldn't get it out of her head. And so she was doing all these things and like, you know, she can't hear anybody because it's so loud that she can't hear anything else. And eventually she finally puts all the pieces together and it's about someone who had been passed over in an accident. And that was what was playing on their car. And their car, I think their car went into a ditch and they couldn't be found. So she found this person and as soon as she found the car, it stopped. And I've actually had that, I've had this song in my head before. I was due to go to a psychic fair and it was in my head, you know, not like loud, like I couldn't hear anything, but it just kept going over and over and over. My third client, I said, you have, you know, I got the message, you have to say this thing. Well, this person just burst into tears. It was their husband's favorite song and before they died he said, if there's any way I can communicate with you, it's through that song. So the spirit gave me that actual song to tell some that woman because it meant something to her. And it's like in the minute I did didn't go through my head the rest of the day. I thank God cuz it wasn't one of my favorites, I have to tell you. [00:51:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that happened to me. I had a similar experience like that. I was going down to ONRA to do a psychic dinner and workshop for two or three days. [00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:15] Speaker A: And there was a song, you know, tomorrow Never Comes. It was in my head all the way down, like it was like, oh my God. It's like it, you know, it's a beautiful song, you know, and I love Robin Keaton anyway, I really like it, you know, but that song kept on playing and playing and playing and playing. And I said, okay, it's not for me, but who's it for? You know, and it won't give up until you actually give it to the right person. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:51:41] Speaker A: You know, and then this lady walked in, you know, and I looked at her and I just to her, you know, I've got this song playing in my head all the time and I'm sure that it's for you, you know. And I told her what the song was, and she just broke into tears as well. And he said, can you share with me why it's so important for you? He says, because my son died on a. [00:52:16] Speaker B: On a. [00:52:17] Speaker A: On a motorbike accident, you know. And before he left the house, he said, if tomorrow never comes, Mom, I love you, you know, and then I turned the radio on as he left that tomorrow night. He said that to me. Then I turned the radio on, and that song was on the radio at that time. And of course, two hours later, they came and told her that her son had an accident. You know, it's like. And it was funny. It's like as soon as I heard of that, I put the pieces together and I said, oh, my God, something's gonna happen and I'm gonna lose my son. And it really, really, really shocked. And then a couple stuck because she said, yeah, he prepared me and said goodbye, you know, and that song, to me, is a very important song. She said, yeah, yeah, you know, And I go, of course it is. You know, because that's what happens. Songs are amazing. You know, for me, a song that is very, very important. It was Words by the Bee Gees, you know, that was my wedding song with my first husband. And it was a very special song for me and him. And. And I heard that about a thousand times on the month after he died. He just kept on coming, you know, because all he had was words. He had nothing else. We promised. We never promised each other anything. We said words is all we can promise. You know, we can speak from the heart and the truth, and that's all you can give someone, you know, so it's a very important song. So. Songs are amazing. So we are going to play another one of Robert's favorite songs as well in a little while. Not right now. So we'll just. We'll discuss that song as well and see what that song means to Robert as well. Now, Robert, I noticed you've got some cards and you've been playing with them a little bit. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:13] Speaker A: What do you want to do with them? Well, you're gonna chuck me a couple of cards? [00:54:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Why not? Why not? Why not? [00:54:20] Speaker B: Okay, well, just to explain to everybody, yeah. There are various decks in tarot. Okay. There are two main ones that are the oldest decks. Okay. You've got what they call the Rider Waite. Yeah. Okay. I don't call it the Rider Waite deck. I call it the Waite Coleman Smith deck. Okay. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Oh, that's different. [00:54:42] Speaker B: Okay. Well, the reason I call it that is because the. The woman that actually did all the illustrations was a lady called Pamela Coleman Smith. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Oh. [00:54:49] Speaker B: So under the direction of A.E. waite, who was the guy who the tarot is named after, he directed her to do all the artwork. So this artist did 78 pictures. 78 clouds in the tarot. [00:55:06] Speaker A: And they're beautiful. And. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's just like, you know, because I think that she should be recognized because she did a lot of work. [00:55:15] Speaker A: I agree with that. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Very unsung person. Okay. The other deck is what they call the Alice dear Crowley deck. Now. [00:55:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:22] Speaker B: I don't like that deck. I've never used it. It's not one that speaks to me. But some people get a lot from that one. And I don't like to call it the Crowley deck. I like to call it the Crowley. [00:55:32] Speaker A: Harris deck because Harry's did all the artwork. [00:55:34] Speaker B: The lady called Lady Frieda Harris did all the artwork. And I think it's very important that we recognize because that's just as much. Even more of a contribution than the person directing how they work. The artwork was to look. Anyway, I use the. Right away. It's the first one that I learned. I learned from a lovely lady called Kim K. She lives in, like. I think it's. Well, it's not Swan Valley, but one of the places in that area. She was my teacher, and she was an amazing tarot teacher. [00:56:06] Speaker A: And. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So I've got a little bit of a fondness for that. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Is she still teaching? [00:56:10] Speaker B: Yes, she is. I'm not sure if she's got a current class going or not, but. Yeah. Anyway, that's good. And I'm acknowledging her because she was very instrumental in my journey. But the other one I have is the Osho Zen, which I use for relationships, the Rider Weight I use for general matters and all that sort of stuff. They're the two that I've been working with since I started doing readings back in 1994. [00:56:37] Speaker A: All back then, 41 years ago. [00:56:41] Speaker B: 31. [00:56:43] Speaker A: But it's really 22. [00:56:45] Speaker B: 22 with 22 years experience. Anyway, I bought those two decks, okay. And about two years ago, I had to replace. Replace them because they were so well used, they would, like, almost fall into bits. So they're my favorite. So I've got those today. So. [00:57:05] Speaker A: See, I love the mystic deck. Yeah, the old mystic deck. Yeah. And I've had to replace that heaps of times because it's my favorite deck, you know, and I was so lucky a few months ago. I was at a friend's house and she got. I bought this deck and I hate it. And he go, how could you hate that? He's just one of the best recipes. Just how. Here, you can have it. I said, ah, thank you, thank you. And it's got. Because it's not easy. You can buy the new version of the mystic deck, but it's not the same. [00:57:35] Speaker B: No. No. [00:57:36] Speaker A: So if I could get a really old deck that people don't want anymore, I get really happy. Because they're much better. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Because they, they, they've started to make the decks that they print the cards on very, very thin. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's just not right. [00:57:50] Speaker B: And they, they don't last as long either. [00:57:52] Speaker A: No, they don't. [00:57:53] Speaker B: So I mean. Yes. I mean if you really, really were wanting to, to get them on good card these days, I think you sort of would have to get them printed from off your own back. So. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway you do. Yeah. [00:58:06] Speaker B: So. Yes. So yes, I've got them here. And look, if anybody was like the old radio show where people could ring in. [00:58:13] Speaker A: Yeah, we will, we will in future have a phone. We willing to. But things have happened with Jenny and I lately that either she's not here or I'm not here and we just haven't been able to put our heads together and just. But we will have that. So next time you're a guest, we will have that. And you'll be able to take calls and answer people and talk to them in life. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Yeah, but yeah, so they're my favorite ones that I use. And yeah, there's lots of different decks, but basically a lot of the tarot decks are based on those two decks, the crowded Harris deck and the Waite Coleman Smith deck. And yes, those two people had a long. There was a secret society back at the end of the 19th century called the Sacred Order of the golden dawn of which A.E. waite and Alistair Crowley were members of. So there were secret societies and you know, they brought forth those two particular decks. There was a resurgent of esoteric mysticism from various different cultures. The Wake Common Smith deck has got lots of symbols from all different cultures throughout the the world through Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, all the mystic offshoots of every religion. So they incorporated those into the deck. So there's a lot of symbolism in them as well. So, you know, if people want to go into the really deeper sides of things, I mean it's like anything, you can go anything to the eighth degree. But I always like to know the history behind the things that. [01:00:04] Speaker A: You'Re going to get involved with. [01:00:05] Speaker B: Well, I've done lots of research and I've read lots of spiritual works from Buddhist and the Egyptian book of the Dead and, you know, the Bhagavad Gita, which is the. From India. So. [01:00:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:19] Speaker B: So it's. It's really interesting when you look at, you know, the deeper background to a lot of spiritual practices. [01:00:26] Speaker A: Okay, we're gonna play two songs now, and then after that, I'm gonna get Robert to throw some cards for me, and you can. You can listen just to give you an idea of how he does it. Okay. It won't be anything too. Too major, but it'll be something. Be good. I'm looking forward to it. Now, the first song we're actually going to play, we're going to play two songs. We're going to play don't let the good life pass you by first. That's Robert's choice. And then after that, we are going to. To play it's my Life of Bon Jovi. All right. He's. He's a gorgeous man. And that song is actually my song. And say it's another empowerment song that I do use to. To really empower myself. And it's my life, you know, it's now and ever. I gotta take charge of my life now and look to the future and that and a really beautiful song, and it's really uppity, and it just keeps the spirits going. But, Robert, don't let the good life pass you by by Cass Elliott. What can you tell me about that? [01:01:27] Speaker B: Oh, look, I love this song because it's. It's about, you know, life isn't just about, you know, going to work and paying bills. It's like taking the time to enjoy the things that life has to happen. You know, life is a rich tapestry, and, like, we can't just focus on small areas of our life and forget to live in the meantime. So that's why I love this song. And so I hope you enjoy it. Okay. So, Silva, do you have a question that is on your mind? [01:02:00] Speaker A: Am I gonna win lotto? No, that's just a joke. Everybody asks that. But I wanted to say it one day to a reader. He might want to win lottery. Okay. No, just general. I really don't have a question as such. Okay. How can I ask this question without telling you too much is, are the possibility of a new structure going to fall in place in a work sector? [01:02:32] Speaker B: Okay. [01:02:33] Speaker A: All right. [01:02:34] Speaker B: So Silver is now going to shuffle these cards for me, and I Will see what's happening. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Let's see where we are. [01:02:43] Speaker B: My favorite response to somebody says, can you give me the lotto number? So, yeah, I can give them to you, but they won't win. [01:02:49] Speaker A: But then again, you might be shocked. [01:02:51] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [01:02:52] Speaker A: You know, if you. Do you remember me? [01:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [01:02:57] Speaker A: But it's amazing. If I could have a dollar for every person that asked me, can I have the lotto numbers, you know, I would be a millionaire myself. [01:03:06] Speaker B: That's right. Yeah. That joke was funny the first couple. [01:03:08] Speaker A: That's. Why do that. I said, can you give me a dollar first? I'm gonna start saving a dollar every time someone asks me that, you know, I'll have money in no time at all. [01:03:19] Speaker B: Oh, exactly. [01:03:20] Speaker A: And then I'll be able to teach everybody. Think. What's the most annoying question you get in your life? People ask? You charge a dollar for it. [01:03:31] Speaker B: That'd be great. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Okay, there you go. [01:03:34] Speaker B: Okay, let's have a look. Very, very interesting stuff coming up. Okay, now I'm doing this reading, and I'm going to describe it while I'm doing it. So I'm just laying out these cards for Silver, and I'm doing what they call a Celtic cross. Okay, so what happens? You have one card in the center crossed by another card. You have one card below it, one to the left of it, one above it, one to the right of it. And then on the other side, from the top, from the bottom to the top, you have another four cards. They all mean different things. And what Silver's question is, is there any structure coming for her? Okay, now the first card that she's got in her spread is the High Priestess. Okay? So to me, that is about where you're at right now. Okay? And there's been a lot of contemplation. It's also really interesting. The High Priestess is about our psychic ability and our subconscious. So as this is to do with Silver's business, which is she does readings, etcetera, that's really, really good. The card that's crossing it is the death card. Now, that doesn't mean that somebody's going to die. What it means is transformation. Okay? So the thing at the moment is, like, what that says to me is that there's a few little things that need to be wound up and a few more doors that need to be closed before the next phase shows itself to her. Okay, now we have the card that's below those first two cards. And this is called the. This is the card of what's going underneath or the foundation of everything that's going on. Now, this card is the magician. Now, the magician card says to me that, Silver, you have all the skills necessary to make it work. You've done lots of different things in your time. You've run events, you've run shops, you've, you know, traveled around doing your work. So I think with a new structure that's coming, you do actually have the. The abilities needed for it. Okay. And yes, we're just having a look at, like, we've got a phone going anyway, so we're just dealing with that anyway. We have in the immediate past position, the card that's on the left is the two of wands, and it's a picture of a man holding two staffs, and he's got a globe of the world in his hands. What this means to me, Silver, is that you have. And I know this for a fact from, you know, knowing what's been happening with you is that there's been some contemplation, there's been a few different things. And because it's number two, that's been choices that have had to be made. Either of them can work. Okay. But what you've got above it is the Knight of Cups. It's a picture of a man holding a cup on a horse. To me, nights are about how your energy moves forward. Cups is also about psychic ability. It also means that emotionally, you're ready to move to the next step with the food. Two cards in the center. I'd say that what that means to me is there's just a few little things to wind up, but you're actually in the right frame and getting towards the right frame of mind to start the next step for you. Because this is really good stuff because, you know, it's wanting to charge ahead. Okay. The card that's on the right of these other cards is the page of Wands. Now, the page of wands can represent a person or it can represent an energy. Sometimes it also means, like, it's the beginning of something. So it's like saying what you're going towards is something that's really going to. If you feel a little bit flat, it's like to your passion or like you're lighting your fire. So, yeah, look, I'm really good that great that this is happening. I really want to make this happen. Okay, how do we go about it? And the thing, the card that represent you, the first card of the four, the side of the original cross, this bottom one is about You. So you're being the Queen of wands. And the Queen of Wands knows who she is, knows what she wants and, you know, she's basically doing what she wants as well. A wonderful card. And I think that's the energy that you're bringing in. You've got all these wands that are coming in. Okay. You have the six. The next card is the six of swords and it's a picture of a man and a child on a boat being rowed away by a man like a gondola. What this means is that like, you know, there's a lot of things have calmed down. Okay. Last few months have been a flurry of activity for obvious reasons. Okay. There's been the wind up of the shop and all that sort of thing. So that's sort of like calming down. There has been a lot going on. The next card is the Queen of Cups and it's like saying, okay, the Queen of Cups is like she's aware of her emotions but she doesn't let them overtake her. So it's like saying, okay, Right. Okay, everything's sort of settled now. What am I going to do to, you know, my, my head basically has to rule my heart at the. This time. [01:08:44] Speaker A: Yep. [01:08:44] Speaker B: But the wonderful thing at the moment is you've got the ultimate outcome is the Queen of Pentacles. And the Queen of Pentacles is someone that. She's a very giving person, but she also knows, you know, because it's about the. The astrological association with this card is a Virgo personality. Virgo personality is like, often of service to others. And what this means is, yes, you're doing that. But she also, the Queen of Pentacles, knows that she has to nourish herself first before she looks after other people. You can't give from an empty cup. And there's been lessons learned in that area with yourself. So that to me is tying that whole ring up. Yes. There is a structure coming for you. There's a little bit of stuff to wind up, but that does make sense with this being a 9 ending year. But you've done most of the work already. [01:09:35] Speaker A: What was this one? [01:09:36] Speaker B: This is like choices. [01:09:37] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Okay. Also examining what it's like two of two of wands. To me, it's like person's got the world in their hands. They've got one of the wands they're holding on to and they've got one behind them. [01:09:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:53] Speaker B: So it's like, you know, it's like you've got a choice but it's like, okay, I want to grab hold of this one, but either of those two choices, we're going to work. Okay. But ultimately, to tie it up, I think there is a new structure coming from it. It is going to work. It's a little bit of residue from what's gone on before, and I think that's going to wind up by the end of this year. But I feel that it's really positive and moving forward, and it's like a lot of it's driven by you. Okay. [01:10:18] Speaker A: So it makes a lot of sense. [01:10:19] Speaker B: Okay. And, you know, the magician says to me, you know, you've got this. So there is no wrong choice. Yeah. Whichever one is going to work equally well, because that's just the next stage for you. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Now, I just did something that, you know, and I did it purposely. You know, when you go for a reading, I don't like you're giving me a reading. I didn't even try to read those cards. Because you're doing the reading. [01:10:45] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:10:46] Speaker A: I really actually tried myself to be there and not read it. Because you see the cast different than what I see. See them. So I've got to hear your translation because you're the one that's giving me the reading. Do you do that courtesy enough to other readers as well, or do you sit there and you go, because I had a psychic that did rifle. He said, no, no, that means, you know. And I said, do you do that courtesy to other people as well? Because I really. It really gets my nerve when you give another reader a reading and actually reading the cards. And I go, that's so rude. [01:11:19] Speaker B: I don't do that at all. I. I let the person do it. Yes, they do. [01:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:23] Speaker B: I mean, I have a friend. Look, I don't. I don't go for readings often. It's like a feeling if I'm feeling really stuck. [01:11:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:29] Speaker B: But I do have a friend that I've known for about 30 years, and, like, the first thing she says, I'm doing the reading. And it's like, well, yes, I know you're doing the reading. I'm not reading the cards. [01:11:39] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:40] Speaker B: Now, my friend, who is that, she uses tarot like I do. I actually taught her to read tarot. Okay. So, you know, but she has her way of reading the cards, and it's me getting an outside perspective. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:53] Speaker B: So, you know, but like, I mean, yeah, it makes me laugh because my friend says it every single time. And every single time I say, yeah. Yes, I know you are. [01:12:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:12:01] Speaker B: Because I Think, well, you know, everybody's different. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:06] Speaker B: And like, even with clients, you know, there's going to be. Clients are going to be attracted to me for my vibe and how I interpret the. [01:12:11] Speaker A: Exactly. And Exactly. Yeah. [01:12:14] Speaker B: But yes, I think I agree. You. It's. It's just rude. [01:12:18] Speaker A: It is rude. It is true. You know, and I find that so frustrating. [01:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:22] Speaker A: That I try and avoid giving psychics a reading because. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. You know. [01:12:27] Speaker A: You know, some of them, they. They don't accept. They're going, you know, if you're gonna. If you're gonna reach, forget it. You know, and I just walk away, you know, because we all feel different. We all connect each other differently. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Oh, exactly. [01:12:38] Speaker A: You know, and like, we're dealing with you, with your energy, as a person, not as a psychic, you know, and I really believe that sometimes we. We try to give ourselves readings. We do try, but sometimes we don't do a good job because we actually see what we want to see. Not necessarily the way we should see it, because sometimes it's very hard to look at our own truth. [01:13:02] Speaker B: Yes. [01:13:02] Speaker A: On that area, I don't do it anymore. [01:13:04] Speaker B: But like many, many years ago, it's like, don't do readings when you're in love with someone. [01:13:08] Speaker A: No. Oh, that's a good one. [01:13:15] Speaker B: That's a good one. Oh, yes. We're destined to be together. No, I'm just besotted. [01:13:20] Speaker A: Anyway, I've got to play something because he's part of the show. Okay. I hope that work. [01:13:30] Speaker B: Your voice, your community station. [01:13:33] Speaker A: You are listening to IPL Radio. Very good. That's IPL Radio. We've got to really be aware of that and promote. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:41] Speaker A: The radio station. It's. It's a community radio station. [01:13:45] Speaker B: Wonderful. [01:13:46] Speaker A: And it's one of the best things about being part of this radio. I'm very. I haven't been able to given them any enough time that I've been so busy with so many things changing in my life. Yeah. That I haven't been able to say, yes, I'm available for this and this and this and this and. But I'm hoping the next year will be a little bit more organized and I'll be able to put, you know, two days aside that I can help out because they do a lot of volunteer work. They do a lot of community work, which is important. They do so much support, and they're really unsung heroes in here, you know, and. And I'm so proud to. To be part of it. And so we need to remember during that, to mention IPL radio and let people know that we're here to help. We're here to support everybody, you know, and donations are appreciated because it's. It's. It's run on a shoestring budget, and that's. The donations are appreciated. It. So if anybody wants to donate or support or help the rally station in any way, please do, because you'd be really, really appreciated and it'll be wonderful. You know, and so. And there's so many people with mental health issues that come here for help. [01:15:02] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:15:03] Speaker A: You know, and we try to boost them up and help them and talk to them and. And give an inspiration. Like, we've had some gifts. Young people that are going through challenging times in their life and they come in, they learn how to do things, they learn how to do recordings, they learn how to. And it gives them a purpose. It gives them a direction and awakens the creativity in them. [01:15:25] Speaker B: Yes. Wonderful. [01:15:26] Speaker A: Which I think is so important. You know, I wish there was more businesses that could help people like that and make them feel good about themselves. [01:15:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:35] Speaker A: Because that's the biggest thing. You know, we gotta help people find the truth, identity. We've got to help people find the sense of belonging in their own life. Not so much about the world aside. We've got to be learning. But sometimes people don't belong in themselves. [01:15:50] Speaker B: Yes. [01:15:51] Speaker A: You know, they don't know how to connect and how to bring the true essence into themselves as that. So, I mean, I'm sure that you do counseling for that. [01:16:01] Speaker B: Oh. [01:16:01] Speaker A: Anyway. And help people of that. [01:16:04] Speaker B: You know, look, I think mental health awareness is probably one of the most important things we need in our community generally. It's something that we need to have more awareness of because, you know, people, your voice, your community station, you are listening to IPL radio.