Series 1 Episode 8

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL Radio, and. [00:00:08] Speaker B: You'Re back in the studio for all the things at IPL Radio. So tonight we're joined by Linda from Ascenda Tribar. She brings a beautiful blend of intuitive reading and healing with high vibration modality of angelic Reiki, which we'll talk about in a minute. Linda helps you uncover what's unseen in your energy field, the emotional, mental, and spiritual layers, and supports you to align with your deeper truth. So, yes, we're so glad to have you in tonight, Linda. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Thank you, Jen. I'm looking forward to being here. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah, just move the microphone just a little bit more to you now. [00:00:47] Speaker A: There we go. [00:00:47] Speaker B: Yes, lovely. Now we can hear you now. So angelic Reiki, can you tell me a little bit about that? [00:00:54] Speaker A: So it's a new modality that I just recently did. So it's a combination of, you know, the Usuri Reiki with working with angels. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Right. [00:01:02] Speaker A: So it's basically bringing in that. Working with the Reiki symbols, but it's integrating that channel of bridge with the angelic kingdom. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Right. [00:01:11] Speaker A: So it's quite powerful. It is very powerful. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Amazing. [00:01:14] Speaker A: It is. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:15] Speaker A: And it's more. It's more connection to spirit, but it's also teaching us as healers. We're just the vessel. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:24] Speaker A: We're just holding the space. So it's when people come in for angelic Reiki. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:01:29] Speaker A: It's like we're just that channel. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And how did you learn about angelic Reiki? Because that's something I hadn't heard about until you mentioned it. [00:01:37] Speaker A: I know. [00:01:38] Speaker B: So, yeah. [00:01:39] Speaker A: Pretty much through the grapevine of someone else that I know with a dear friend of mine. She had done it about a year ago, and I noticed the shift and the change, especially in her frequency, and I was like, okay. I've actually had healing work as well through her, and I felt it was quite different to other type of modalities that I've trained in or been part of. [00:02:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:02:01] Speaker A: So it was, like, interesting how that that level of frequency was. It's a very strong connection and it's bringing that sense of balance, but it's also balancing that dark and light, but bringing it into that. That center. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah. The polarity of it. And I would just imagine, like having. Well, obviously I'm a Reiki Sukim master myself as a you. And I studied Yusui. But angelic Reiki just sounds phenomenal. I mean, to bring in the. Yeah. [00:02:35] Speaker A: All the angelic kingdom of angels. It is Anything, it brings in all the angels, but it's about the heart and that connection. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Right. [00:02:47] Speaker A: So it's different to how we've been taught in other modalities. [00:02:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:51] Speaker A: And how it's channeled and how we call in things. So it's like. It's quite empowering. And you have to be kind of dedicated into that field if you want to go there. It's like, coming into that, you have to actually do a lot of your shadow work to get to this. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Does that make sense? [00:03:10] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. And do you think that you were called to do this modality because you've also been doing a lot of your own shadow work? [00:03:19] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's what I find fascinating because I'm also been doing a lot, and I know a lot of other practitioners are doing the same, and it's like, we have to know. We have to have gone through things that we heal from in order to know how to help others to heal. Do you. Do you agree with that? [00:03:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. So a lot of us who become practitioners in this field, a lot of us have to walk the talk. So if you have things coming up for yourself in your own childhood stuff, current situational stuff, everything is experience, and it's the choice of what we do with those experiences. But it's a lot of working through life, layers of it, too. So it's. It's about finding that balance, that center. It's about working with the heart space, and it's about that connection to the universal spirit. [00:04:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:19] Speaker A: So a lot of people can talk about, oh, I've done this, I've done that. But it's. It's a deeper level than that. It's actually going through it. Like, we don't get to. Even in this field, the way we practice, we've got to go through things ourselves. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Right. To get that deeper level of connection. [00:04:38] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:04:39] Speaker B: In order to hold the space to help that healing for whoever is coming to see you. [00:04:44] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:45] Speaker A: So if someone's coming in, for example, with emotional heartbreak or, you know, have just gone through some sort of level of grief or something, a lot of it is working with the heart chakra, Right. [00:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:56] Speaker A: So when someone comes in, it's holding that space for that person, and we're just being that channel as an energy healer. So whatever they want to release, let go or work through, we're holding that space for them. But I find in my experience, I've gone through a lot of personal stuff in my own life. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:15] Speaker A: So when I've worked through my Own things. I knew what helped heal me, I knew what helped work through that. But it's not that we're completely healed of everything. It's learning how to manage it better and how to find those ways of techniques and methods on how we get through our daily life. So some. Sometimes there are things we're still working through and that takes time and it's different for everybody. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Yeah, no, absolutely. And in saying that, with the different people that come for healing, do you find that often. And I'm asking because this is what I've. I've noticed often when I've just either gone through something and worked through it, I find that I attract or people that are going through something I've just been through come in and go, you know what this is going on? And I'm like, oh, wow. And it happens over and over again. It's mirroring what I've just gone through and healed through. And therefore I have a deeper understanding on how to help someone. Do you find you get that too? [00:06:18] Speaker A: It's so spot on. It's not funny. [00:06:20] Speaker B: It is. [00:06:20] Speaker A: So when, when you're working through your own stuff, you're changing your frequency. So if you're working through something and you're finally coming. So it's a bit messy. Okay. So when we're going, doing that healing work on ourselves, it's a bit messy and it's a bit. How do I put it? It's not pleasant and it has to be uncomfortable. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:41] Speaker A: So we start. Everybody's like, oh, I want to feel good. We have to go through the messy and the. [00:06:46] Speaker B: Don't I know it all the time. [00:06:48] Speaker A: Right? [00:06:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:49] Speaker A: You go, what is this? Yeah. Then you say to yourself, like, once you. It's the. It's learning to lean on yourself on it, like sit in the uncomfortable. Yeah. Understand why that emotion's coming up. Understand why this reflecting to you, why are you, why are you getting upset about something or why are you reacting to it? Gives you an opportunity to work through that. And then once you come out of that, people need to remember, you know, once we go through that, there's the pleasant bit of it, There is the love and light in it too. But in the beginning, it's. It's messy and it's like unpleasant. And you sometimes just want to wrap yourself in a blanket and just rest and just bubble wrap. Yeah, pretty much. And that's part of the healing too. You're allowed to do that. Your body might be asking, I need to rest. I need to sit with this. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker A: And then people feel kind of guilty or feel like then, oh, I'm just resting or I'm just doing this. And I said, that might be what your body needs. Yeah, maybe that's what you need to work through what you're currently going through. [00:07:47] Speaker B: Absolutely. And in actual fact, that this is something that I have wrestled with a lot of the times. If I'm going through something really, really full on and I get overwhelmed, I now go into the shutdown and I need to kind of, I don't know, turn into a hermit. So I will just shut myself off. And I need to reflect and go inwards. And I felt guilty about that when people like, why aren't you answering? Why? You know what? Because I'm doing me stuff and I'm working on me. And quite often we do feel bad because it's not our usual self or whatever. And it's more about honoring what you need at that moment without having to apologize for it. Because it is what you need to be doing and to process and to get through certain situations to be able to come out and be all that you can be. And sometimes it does involve turning the phone off and shutting yourself in and, you know, watching Netflix or, you know, just. Just chilling to music or whatever. That is part of a process and we shouldn't ever feel apologetic for those moments because it is part of the journey. And so I have been saying to people, get comfortable with being uncomfortable because that is where the growth happens, that's where the change happens and that's where the lessons happen. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker A: Very poetic. Yes. Great. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Great. And like, so when we were chatting today, and, I mean, you came to IPL just to have chats and have lunch and this wasn't even planned. No, no, this was not planned at all. But last night, now when you came into the studio, I was putting some songs on for the show and then you said you had a download of a song last night for me, and that was this Is Me, which is from the Greatest Showman, which I then I had goosebumps. You had goosebumps. And I've got them now. And that was the song that kept coming on after my mum passed away. So even though I'm part of the spiritual community, world and work, I still get wowed when these little confirmations come through. But that also solidified that you are supposed to be here and we're supposed to be doing this show and we're supposed to be sharing this message and that's what makes all these little moments so beautiful. So much More beautiful because you had confirmation last night without knowing that we'd be sitting and look at me, I've got chicken skin right now. Without even knowing that this is what we'd be doing today. And I just think that these moments are so important. And I mean, as much as you know, it may be, it's completely out of it. Wasn't even something you'd ever thought about and it was. Wasn't even something I'd even. But it just felt right, didn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. So we've both. Yeah, so we're both sitting in here and we're both feeling so amazing about doing this show together and we have so many beautiful messages to share. So I'm gonna play this is Me from the Greatest Showman. This is a song that my mom keeps sharing with me and. Yeah. So I hope you enjoy it. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL radio. [00:11:18] Speaker B: And you're back in the studio for all the things. Tuesday night at 7:08pm What a beautiful day it was today, Linda. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. [00:11:25] Speaker B: I know. We had a beautiful barn me on the Rockingham foreshore today, didn't we? Yes. [00:11:31] Speaker A: That was my first time too. [00:11:33] Speaker B: Well, I've only just recently discovered them and I'm obsessed. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Obsessed. [00:11:38] Speaker B: You know how I get those food obsessions. Remember like at first at work it was like that warm chicken salad obsessed with that. Now it's ban me. And so I actually bought two, I bought one for lunch and we had it on the foreshore and we had a bit of grounding in the sunshine today, which was absolutely beautiful. Just what we both needed. And I actually bought another one for dinner. I'm that obsessed. So that's part of my ADHD thing as I hyper focus and I get these things, these cravings and I just, you know, but that's my new thing today. But I, I was talking, we were talking today about, you know, the pressures of life and, and different things like that. And I thought it would be really good to talk about what are some of the invisible pressures that people carry in their day to day life. So for me it's like the pressure to keep everything running, the housework, the studio, even when I'm mentally exhaust. No one really sees the behind the scenes of that chaos. But it is really hard to carry all of that. What is, what is your. Do you have anything? [00:12:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. I feel like it's an expectation. Right. So what we see on social media, what we see in public, we, we do put in general, some people Put a bit of a facade or a mask to say, everything, oh, I'm doing well, everything's okay. And so we get to that level of, oh, is anyone having a bad day? We don't get to see that. [00:13:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Because the moment you show that, that shows vulnerability. [00:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:16] Speaker A: And so I don't want to look like I'm not coping, so I'll act like everything's okay. But sometimes that goes against you as well because you can go into burnout for that. To try and put an expectation on yourself. [00:13:30] Speaker B: An emotional burnout. Right. [00:13:32] Speaker A: An expectation that. Who put that on you to fit in, to look like you're doing all these A, B, C and D type stuff. And it's like, who put that expectation? You put yourself through that because, yes, if you're doing stuff, do it for your well being. If you've got roles and responsibilities. Sometimes if we're mothers or we're partners or, you know, work stuff, colleagues, whatever we're doing as a role in our life, that's a purpose. However, we can go into burnout when we don't do the self care on ourselves. You know, so if you have an off day, it doesn't matter if the house is messy, but we go, oh my God, I've left the house messy. You know, this is not how I should be. Like, this is not my standard. What will people think if they feel that guilt? [00:14:21] Speaker B: Don't. You do. [00:14:22] Speaker A: And then you say to yourself, like, I'm having an off day. This is why my house might look not 100% how I normally have it. Yeah, but that shows realness. That shows, in a way, it's showing person is human. We, we have to remember we're human. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker A: You know, we're actually spiritual beings having this human experience. [00:14:40] Speaker B: I know, I know. Yeah. [00:14:42] Speaker A: And we signed up for it. [00:14:43] Speaker B: I know. Stupid. [00:14:46] Speaker A: I think we just wanted it to be interesting. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Interesting is an understatement. [00:14:50] Speaker A: Right. [00:14:51] Speaker B: I call mine the premium lessons package. [00:14:55] Speaker A: I think I went for that one too. [00:14:58] Speaker B: I'm gonna get it all out in this human experience and next one's gonna be all smooth sailing. It's gonna be the fun moves to. [00:15:06] Speaker A: Be the rest period. But yeah, going back into the, the burnout in people's well being as well. Like, we put pressure on ourselves to, to measure up and we put pressure when there's judgment on ourselves for it. And then you know what, we're actually modeling that to our children. [00:15:24] Speaker B: I know. [00:15:24] Speaker A: We're not showing our children the good, the bad and the ugly in life. You Know there's not just everything is drama and everything is pressure. They need to see the joy and the happiness. There has to be a balance there. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:37] Speaker A: You know, so when we show our kids like, oh, no, everything's fine. We have to show our kids when everything's not fine, we have to teach them how to work through that. Like how to deal with something when it's a difficult situation, how to deal with when you're having an emotional. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Moment. [00:15:53] Speaker B: So, yeah, teach them and educate them on how to get through a situation that may not be the easiest, but by demonstrating how you get through something but in a positive way. Absolutely. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Like what we were doing today at lunchtime. So we took that moment while we're sitting, we're at the beach and we're sitting and we're grounding. And then without automatically thinking, we're like, wait, we're doing something here. Good for our well being. We just did it. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:17] Speaker A: I mean, we could have taken it next level going. We should have done it barefoot. Right? Yeah. Because that's like connection to earth energy. But we're always connected. The elements are everywhere. This is what I'm saying. Like, everything is everywhere in nature. You know, the beach is. Is nature. There's water there. You can put your feet in the water. Just putting your feet in the water or just being by the beach or going for a walk, breathing. When you go, when you're upset about something, it's do the active stuff, go for a walk, clear your mind. Right. And then you're connected to nature, you're connected to the elements and then you go, oh, I feel better about this situation. Or if you feel like you can't cope in that moment, work through that. Like, don't pretend it and squash it down. Because when you squash it down and suppress it, that's not good for your well being either. Oh, no, I'll put it here or I'll squish it down and I'll deal with it later. Because you know what, the more you do that, it will confront you later and you're forced to deal with it because you didn't deal with it originally. [00:17:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I've got a bit of that situation going on myself. But I do find when sitting like, same so at the beach today, so with being near the ocean, being near the water and the ions and all that, the water, I just feel that it helps me calm my emotions. And because water is the element that reflects your emotions. [00:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it works with emotional balance and well being and it's also a release. What people don't realize, it's kind of when you walk with that, work with that water element. It's a cleansing ceremony, too. It's a ritual. It's putting all your heavy burdens and just kind of saying, I need to release this. I'm going through something right now, and I just need clarity. Water is clarity. Water is flow. So water does that. So it brings. Once you. Once you kind of let that go, you go, oh, why do I feel better? It's because you've released it. And the water connection, that space, and it's working with the air, the element being outside, fresh air. But it's also breathing. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Like, breath is everything. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:21] Speaker A: So if you. If you're getting upset about something, it's like, breathe. If you're needing to let go of something because you know you've been upset, let it out. Sometimes you just, you know, if there's nobody around at the beach, probably like. Like, yell a bit or shout a bit and just get it out to release. But it's a healthy way of doing that. [00:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:39] Speaker A: And it's a way of reclaiming as well. [00:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:18:43] Speaker A: But it's. It's not to feel ashamed about it either. If you have those moments, it's. It's working through it, and it's trying to find a better way of processing what you're currently going through. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Does that make sense? [00:18:55] Speaker B: That makes absolute beautiful sense. Definitely. So, yeah. So you did mention masking also in there so often, like, I don't know, like, when you say we put on these masks to pretend we're okay and so that will deplete. I feel like I do this a lot, and I have done. I'm not doing it anymore. So I'll be like, you know, just like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. People know that I'm not fine, and I'm just like, yeah, I'm fine. And you try and be strong or seem strong, and then I, you know, get through, and you just get through whatever you have to do. You go home and then you're just like, fall apart. I'm not doing that anymore. I've done that too long, and I've found it just becomes harder. It becomes. It suffocates you more and it. Everything kind of amplifies. And I feel like it's really draining. So I feel people with, like, adhd, I feel like we mask a lot because we try to seem normal, the closest to normal. And I say that and I laugh. Obviously, you Know, we all have our quirks, we all have our things. But I think as I've been in my 40s, I've found that my ADHD kind of things have amplified a lot. And I find that I do. I have spent a lot of time masking and pretending that I'm not. That I'm getting through things normally because I don't want to be highlighted as, oh, look at her, she's having a day. Or she's, you know. And I find that. That masking is so draining. It's worse than getting through it and being real. So, yeah, I think. What are your tips for, you know, people that feel like they have to mask or. When have you ever had to feel like you've done this? [00:20:57] Speaker A: I think we naturally do. It's a conditioning. Right. So especially in women. [00:21:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:01] Speaker A: So I can't speak on behalf of men. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Men. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Because you're not one. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:04] Speaker A: And you're not going to pretend to. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Because men tend to be more logical. Women are automatically. [00:21:09] Speaker B: I don't know about that. [00:21:10] Speaker A: I mean, I don't know that men are emotional. I'm just saying women tend to be more in the emotional when they react to things, whereas men tend to go a bit more logic. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:20] Speaker A: You know, it's yin and yang. It's. Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:26] Speaker B: I think I'm from Pluto, by the way. Yep. [00:21:28] Speaker A: I'll join you with that one. I think I'm from there, too. But it's what we were saying about the mask. [00:21:33] Speaker B: The masking. Yeah. [00:21:34] Speaker A: It's. Sometimes we do it to fit in. Sometimes it's a learned behavior. Sometimes it's something like expectation. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Again. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Again, it's. If I feel, for example, like I can only talk about my experience, I don't say I know everything because I don't. Nobody does. But it's more of when you have that feeling that if you're slightly different and you've been told you're different and you feel different to others, it's not saying everybody's the same, but there's this expectation of what is normal and what is not normal. So when people feel like they're slightly different because of the way they dress, the way they behave, the way they interact, and they stand out a bit more, they feel a little bit outcasted or they feel like they can't, they need to measure up to a particular group or a particular tribe or a particular thing. And it, you know, it's. I don't feel like we're supposed to do that. You know, it's about a sense of we're all from different walks of life, different upbringings, different cultures, that kind of thing. But it's. It's more of when people put a mask, it's for acceptance. You're looking for it outside instead of looking and reflecting inside. [00:22:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. [00:22:44] Speaker A: And I think when people put masks on, I don't think it's like, for me, it appears and it presents as if I act like this, I might be liked, or if I be this way, I'm accepted. And so what happens when you put a mask on and the mask comes off? Do people like you? But it's being authentic. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Comes down to be authenticity, right? Yeah, it's very hard for people to show their realness. Yeah, it's very hard for people to be authentic. [00:23:14] Speaker B: Because you're vulnerable. [00:23:15] Speaker A: You do because. And sometimes people have been in situations where people take advantage of that vulnerability. So then people go, I've got to protect myself. [00:23:23] Speaker B: I've got to make someone else right that. [00:23:25] Speaker A: So this doesn't happen. So these come from our life experiences. So, yeah, Masking, for me, is not a negative thing. I think it's just something if we can kind of grow from this and kind of expand on this and go different in this era. So it's more like the more we master this being authentic, and the more. [00:23:45] Speaker B: We do that, the less masking we will need. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Well, we won't have to do it. And then again, we're modeling this to the next generation. We're modeling this. Whatever. We, as adults and as. As elders in the community, we're modeling this. [00:23:57] Speaker B: So if we show how Example. [00:24:00] Speaker A: Exactly. If we show authenticity, being authentic means being true to yourself. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:24:07] Speaker A: That's how I would look at it. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. I do feel like with, you know, being a mum or being a nana or being, you know, working here and being a partner or whatever, it's like you have to put on different caps, you know, like, oh, I'm doing this job right now. I'm gonna go home, cook dinner. I'm gonna put my chef cap on. And sometimes it can feel like you're wearing costumes or hats or whatever all day and forgetting who you really are underneath and not being, okay, I'm me. I'm gonna be cooking now, and I'm gonna be gonna hang out with this person or, you know, and it's. You're not all separate parts of you that all. It's all you. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:50] Speaker B: And they're all just separate things you do. So you shouldn't have to feel like putting on different masks because it is very tiring. But it does feel like that when you have spent. When you have been maybe rejected as this part of you. Okay, so someone didn't like this when I did this, or, you know, I had an interaction with someone that wasn't so positive. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna put this mask on now to protect myself. And it's not like a conscious thing. Sometimes it's just like a protection thing. And then sometimes. Then I found that, you know, you go, hang on a minute. You know, I'm just. I'm not really being fully myself. And I'm doing this because of this negative experience that I've had. And I do find that I have had that recognition or the realization of that a lot recently with all the shadow work and the internal work I've been doing on myself, I have been recognizing these things. And it's not about. I think this is stepping into my authenticity more so. But it's also recognizing the. The times and the parts of me where I haven't been honored. And I've had to feel like I have to put this protection cap on and this is what I have to be so that I get respected. You know, it's. It's all part of these lessons and these layers of the healing work and all the internal things that you start applying to yourself and becoming stronger and becoming the best version of yourself, I think, is through that growth and through that learning of those realizations. Yeah. [00:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah. That's beautiful. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a bit deep. I went deep then. [00:26:38] Speaker A: That's what this is about. [00:26:39] Speaker B: I know, I know, I know. But I did. Yeah, it's. It's. This is actually helping me reflect. Right. Because this is. [00:26:44] Speaker A: This is what this is about. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:46] Speaker A: It is about that reflection, but it's about that experience. But it's about showing other people how this looks. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:53] Speaker A: And how we navigate this. Because the way how it's looking is we have to be this way and we have to act like this way. Who said. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Yeah, you know. Exactly. [00:27:03] Speaker A: It's working through it, but it's always working through your stuff. And each time you're working through a new experience or another layer of that healing work that if you're ready for it. Not everybody's ready for it, Jen. [00:27:16] Speaker B: No. [00:27:17] Speaker A: And we can't pressure people. [00:27:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I mean, we can have. We know all the tools and all the tips and all the stuff from our modalities and all the practices we've done, but if Someone's not ready to work through stuff and themselves, they're just not going to do it. You can plant that see seed for the person, but it's up to them if they want to grow it. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker A: And sometimes people don't want to work through their stuff because it feels heavy, it hurts. It's bringing up things that you don't want to relive again and you don't want to reflect on because it's. It's just something that you've. If you've had. I don't like the negative wording on it, but it's like if you didn't have a good experience on something, you don't want to look into it. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:58] Speaker A: But sometimes it's necessary not to live in your past. It's necessary to work through it. So you can release it and let go. [00:28:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:05] Speaker A: And you can say, okay, this is what happened. This is how I can work through it, and this is how I release it and this is how I move forward with it. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:15] Speaker A: And it's different for everybody. [00:28:16] Speaker B: It is. Yeah. And I did mention when you first came in tonight, how I got started here and it was. I answered a Facebook ad, the lovely Mish from Good Vibrations shout out to Mish. She had put a. Posted an ad on Facebook asking for co hosts to come and do trials. And it was in December. And I was going through a lot of stuff last year. A lot. A lot, a lot. And I was going through things where I couldn't discuss things with people, legal things and things like that. And I felt silenced in my own world to a certain degree. Obviously not with everything but personal things. And so I wanted to do something completely out of my comfort zone and find my voice in a way that I could help people. Not necessarily speaking about the things that I legally couldn't, but helping people to find their voice by using my voice. And in doing this, in has been my therapy. And it has. It is empowering. And this, I mean, you know, people like, oh, why do you keep doing it? And blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I literally. This is. I'm in my element and this is about. This is where I don't have to be masked. I get to be myself and I get to help people. And that's why it's so important to be here, sharing the message, the ipl where mental health matters, sharing what beautiful knowledge that you have to share tonight, sharing these important messages for people that are going to hear it, that need to hear it, you know, And I mean, it's Quite often. Yeah. That this is. Yeah. So we find our voice in different ways, and we get to take those masks off in different ways. And this has been one of those platforms. I get to do that. And it has been so amazing for. Yeah. My growth, even. You were saying you. You're a different person here today. [00:30:19] Speaker A: You were. No, it's like your. Yourself here. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:22] Speaker A: You. You able to be in an environment that allows you to feel supported, but also feel like you're part. Part of the community. So. Because everything's about community. [00:30:37] Speaker B: It is. [00:30:37] Speaker A: So, you know, when we bring that community vibe together, it's about inspiring and lifting each other. It's about bringing that sense of togetherness, and it's people from all different walks of life coming together. Yeah, but showing up when you show up. [00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:30:54] Speaker A: It shows other people how to show up and where to show up. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:30:58] Speaker A: And. [00:30:58] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's why it is important, and that's why I feel IPL is such an amazing family here. So you came today and we did the Melbourne cup sweeps. That was Misha's idea. So thanks, Mish. Because I won 48 bucks. Well, if you count the ticket. Tickets that I had to buy because, like, all the tickets had to be accounted for for it to be. I had to buy an extra two tickets, and it was those two tickets that I actually won. But, yeah, we did the Melbourne cup sweeps and we watched the Melbourne cup here. [00:31:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:29] Speaker B: So, yeah, we. But you got to meet a lot of the people from. From behind the scenes, some of the presenters, just some of the IPL family, and see how passionate everyone is here about helping others and the community and what we're here for. And it's just the most amazing place to be, isn't it? [00:31:53] Speaker A: Well, the first impression for me, because everything is energy. Right. And everything is energy and vibration. So when we walk into an environment, we. We intuitively get told how an environment is. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:04] Speaker A: But then it's energy and vibration of each individual. And what I felt and saw here was just like. It had that moment for me where it was like, wow, it's a tribe. It's more than just this. It's everybody with their individual self, all coming together as. As a gathering, as a group, as a. Like you said, a family. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:32] Speaker A: And it's. It's quite nice to see because it's realness, it's authenticity. Everybody's their authentic self. And it's. And it's quite lovely to actually witness that. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:43] Speaker A: And say, wow, this is really great. And. And the cause about well being and mental health is so important because it starts with community, it starts with the village. [00:32:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:56] Speaker A: I feel like we've lost that over the years. We used to do that in, in lifetimes. We used to do that back in certain generations and somewhere in between we kind of lost that sense of community and that, you know, gathering. But there were, there's certain roles males have and certain roles females have and bringing that village together and working beside each other. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Everything got blurry and disconnected. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Absolutely. Especially after Covid. That was kind of obvious how everybody started. Started interacting afterwards. [00:33:28] Speaker B: But it's like they weren't really, were they? [00:33:30] Speaker A: But it's an opportunity to look at it as rebuilding. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:34] Speaker A: And working from that and. And how do we look at this moving forward and how do we do this as a stepping stone, as a community? [00:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Do you know that Tris, the director here. Shout out to Tris if you're listening. Do you know he was a mental health first aid, first aid trainer and when Covid hit, they couldn't do the training anymore and so they could do online. But he wasn't, you know, he wasn't sure about being there to support people when they got off the thing. So he started IPL because of that. That's how this all came about, because of COVID and because of the importance of mental health and all that. And that's how IPL became ipl. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Oh, fantastic. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Five years later. [00:34:19] Speaker A: I love that. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Isn't it so cool? Yeah. So, all right, I'm going to cut to a song and we'll talk more about all the Things after this. I've got some Deep Blue, something with Breakfast at Tiffany's, your community station. [00:34:35] Speaker A: You are listening to IPL radio and. [00:34:39] Speaker B: You'Re back in the studio with all the Things on a Tuesday night at 7:49. You're joined by Jen. Jen and the lovely Linda from Ascended Tribar. We've been talking about all the Things tonight. That was Leonard Skynyrd with Freebird, one of my favorites. That's a banger. So I have had a few messages already about the music selection tonight. It is courtesy of moi. So Selva, when she does. Yeah, Selva when we do Thursdays, Selva likes to pick the music. It's a little bit different to my taste, but she is so passionate about her music. It's so lovely to see. So I get, you know, she plays the old timey stuff and all the things that, that mean things to her and I love the meanings behind them. All these songs that I pick they all have a significant thing to me as well, because music is my therapy. As you were just. We're just talking about your lovely partner Mark and his selection choice. And see, when I get in the car, I'll put music that I need to hear. And because it's my therapy, it's almost like meditation as you're driving. And you mentioned that. I think Mark does the same. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Oh, Mark is amazing. He listens to heavy metal music. Yes. He's introduced me to some quite interesting tunes. And there's a level of the vibration and the frequency and it's very passionate. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:00] Speaker A: And so coming from that male perspective is actually showing how, you know, there's a. There's a balance there. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:07] Speaker A: And how he does this, it's like, quite remarkable because it's. It's. We're learning from each other. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:36:13] Speaker A: Because I'm old school with my music. I'll listen to a bit of 70s stuffy stuff, you know, and, you know, a bit of everything from grunge stuff to, you know, Healing Shaman. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:25] Speaker A: I mean, that kind of stuff. Yeah. It's like a mood thing for me. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And so does he listen to the heavy metal and get energetic from it and, like, it's a therapy for him Because I know when I put the tunes on in my car, it's like a meditation session. It doesn't have to be meditation music. It could be my jelly roll that I've been banging out since I saw Jelly Roll the other night. Oh, my God, that was amazing, by the way. Yeah, it could be. Yeah. So I'll just play what I need to hear. And it is like that therapy session in the car with the tunes. And that's what he does with his heavy metal. And now you're liking it, too. [00:36:59] Speaker A: I actually do, yeah. [00:37:00] Speaker B: And it is. It gives you that energy, it lifts you. Some people are like, I don't want to listen to that crap. It's just noise and blah, blah, blah. But you hear the difference in it when it's coming from someone passionate about the music and they have. They, like, share with you the reason why it touches their soul. You hear the difference. You're not just listening to the song, you're hearing it, you're feeling it. And I think then you get an inside perspective of the person that's sharing their music selection. [00:37:29] Speaker A: Absolutely. And when you. When you're. That's energy as well, by the way. So, you know, when someone's off in that frequency, guess what? It's. It's contagious. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Right, yes. [00:37:40] Speaker A: So when it's that uplifting positive frequency, guess what, you're going to feel that. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Right. So that's lifting and it's like that interaction when you're listening to music and then you listen to the lyrics and you look at the lyrics and you can't make this stuff up, Jen. Sometimes you go, oh, wow, there's a message, like divine universe signs are not just angelic numbers or feathers or coins. Right. [00:38:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:05] Speaker A: It's in the lyrics, it's the music, it's the vibration. Right, Absolutely. So when it comes from a loved one or it comes from somebody saying, hey, listen to this, what do you think? And it's like, oh, you cannot make this stuff up. No, there's, there's something quite significant and it stands out not just in the music, but it's, it's a vibration, it's a frequency and there's something in it for everyone's well being. And this is like another healing tool that anybody can access. Everybody's got access to it. [00:38:37] Speaker B: Music. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [00:38:39] Speaker A: And you know, it calms down the nervous system and it calms down the emotions as well. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:43] Speaker A: And sometimes when, you know, you know, like teenagers are actually quite, if we think about it, they're very tuned in. Yes. When they're out upset and they come home from school or something. I remember what it was like. Yes. Many moons ago. Yeah. And you go, they go in, shut the door and they're having one of those days and then they're blasting the music. But in a way, you know, in a way the parent goes, oh, can you keep that music down? It's irritable. And it might be irritable for them, for them, but it's, but they're doing something to cope in that moment and music is kind of like their outlet. Like if I listen and then I feel better, like sometimes they calm down, sometimes it's like I just need to let go or I just need to feel better. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:22] Speaker A: And so that's their way of doing that. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:24] Speaker A: You know, so music is quite beautiful, but it's a frequency, it's a vibration. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:29] Speaker A: And we, we've always got access to it. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [00:39:33] Speaker A: Like it now we've got Spotify, we've got YouTube, we've got all kinds of things. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:37] Speaker A: You know, kids are quite tuned into it when we say, like, oh, there's so much on their devices, but when they're connected to music, it's. They're actually tapping into that frequency and that's another tool how they can. How do I work through my emotions? I listen to music. [00:39:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And do you find, like today when we. After we were on the beach grounding and having our lunch, we went to the juice bar. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:59] Speaker B: And remember we walked in the door and a song was playing and I went and I just stood there and I started to tune into the song and I'm like, the words of this song are applicable to what we're talking about right now. So I spot on. I Shazammed it. Yeah. So it is you do. You see, you get messages and angelic messages all the time. It is amazing, isn't it? And then, then number plates afterwards, then it was like that, that, that on the way back to the station, it was like, oh, my God, Linda, look. And it was all these little messages through music, through numbers. And it's just. It's so beautiful when you look and you pay attention that there's just so much magic and beauty out there, isn't there? [00:40:40] Speaker A: Well, it's confirmation saying to us that we're on track. Yes. Confirmation saying, you will get through this. Everything is temporary. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yes. [00:40:48] Speaker A: There's confirmation all the time. So your spirit team, your spirit guides who you're connected with, especially of the light. You are connected. Every time it's saying, hey, you're going to be fine. Hey, look. [00:40:58] Speaker B: Yeah, look. Yeah. [00:41:00] Speaker A: And then every time you go, I can't be imagining that that's here. Someone says, played here. What's going on? And it's like, that's just letting you. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Know you are not alone. It's a confirmation. [00:41:10] Speaker A: It's confirmation that the path or where you're currently your situation is. It's showing you how to navigate. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:17] Speaker A: It's up to you if you choose to work with. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Because quite often we'll go, oh, is this the right thing that I'm doing? Just like, give me a sign, you know? And then you just start seeing something like, you know, you know, you'll see. I don't know, like today it was triple ones. All day it was like this, this and this. And then it's like, oh, okay. And it's like sometimes you can look up the angel number meanings and things like that. And that's just an example. But quite often it'll be music or even, you know, an animal, but just synchronicities in things. And it's just. It does make you feel like you're seen, you're validated, and you are going to be okay. And I think that's beautiful, isn't that? And you did mention just now about our nervous systems. Now today we're talking and I was talking about things. I'm not sure how we got onto the subject, but I was talking about how I was living with, you know, we go through the stresses of life. And it felt like anxiety was like my baseline for such a long time that when I started doing the shadow work and the healing and the layers of things and breath work and things like that, my nervous system was completely just in shock. And now it's completely different. Like, obviously, you'll go through things that stress you out and, you know, you'll go, ah. And you'll start. You know, you might get the shakes and that. But, like, I experienced that kind of anxiety 247 for so long, my body just went, no, right, had enough. And, yeah, quite often it. I did realize that anxiety did become my baseline. And there were often times when I couldn't remember the last time I felt relaxed and even felt like good news, felt stressful. And it was like my body could never shut off. And, you know, I went through things with the tense shoulders and the jaw cleansed and the mind racing. So my question to you is, what helps you when anxiety hits you hard? So I know with. You've also done breath work with Tim. Shout out to Tim from Embrace Breath. Hi, Timbo. We've both had sessions with Tim with Breathwork. Now, I remember when I had no idea what it was. Sorry, Tim. But I didn't. And I'd never. You know, I'd seen some weird ads on Facebook when I did my first breathwork session. I think it was over Easter, and I didn't realize how much of my life was lived in this anxiety state to the point where I had this amazing, like, session and my nervous system just went, whoop, what's going on here? Because I finally found my breath. Like, I wasn't breathing the right way. I was breathing wrong. Even my breathing was wrong. And it sounds funny to say that, but, like, even my breathing was wrong to the point where when I was breathing right, it felt like my body had to relearn how to breathe right. And my nervous system was, like, in shock for three days. Remember I got you to come to my house? [00:44:46] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:44:47] Speaker B: And remember how much I was shaking from that? And that was obviously, like, I'd had some stresses and things and, like. Yeah. So. But then I breathed through that as well, and I got through. It was like three days. My body was. And it wasn't just breath work. It was. I did trauma counseling and different things. And I found that I had these heightened stress stages. And I've just now started living with, like, feeling like I'm living normal. And then, you know, you have stressful moments. But my body is not in fight or flight mode constantly anymore. But what did. Like, I know you've done breath work. What helps you with your anxiety and what have you. We're talking about regulating the nervous system. System. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Right. So originally, years back when I. I, about probably eight years ago, I started for yoga, Right? [00:45:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker A: First learned about how to work with the. Not just with the physical, but the emotional body and working through the nervous system through that. And then the lovely teacher that I had, she talked about breath work. So I originally had learned it through her a little bit. And teaching you how to breathe through a yoga pose. So I was not breathing properly. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:01] Speaker A: But it was because there was a thing of fear was coming up if I breathe. Because the moment I was getting taught how to breathe gently, like in my body, I could feel there was this flight or fight thing coming in my stomach area. And she's like, you. You're holding on to stuff, like. And I was like, yeah, I am. She picked it up and then she's like, I need you to breathe through here. And I found it really difficult in the beginning. I was like, wow, yoga's supposed to be relaxing. I feel a little bit like, yeah. Because I had to. It's kind of hard to unlearn. Yeah. But unlearn how to breathe. Right. So I was doing yoga for years, and I've been doing that on and off. I'm trying to get back in again. But, like, when we worked with Tim, for example, he showed a different way. It was like another level to the breath work. [00:46:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:49] Speaker A: But that was like, how to really breathe. And because some of us have been put through experiences where we're going into survival mode. [00:46:56] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:56] Speaker A: So when we're in survival mode, we're breathing to survive. Right. We're breathing to cope. We're breathing to navigate, Right? [00:47:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:04] Speaker A: So with the breath work, it's teaching you to. To kind of relax, but it's teaching you how to work with your nervous system. Because the moment your nervous system is calm, guess what? You react differently. You navigate differently. The moment your nervous system is calm, the moment you feel any anxious feelings, it's not really anything. I don't feel like it's a negative thing when people have anxiety. It's. For me, it's an indicator in your body because everything is energy. Right. So your body's actually telling You. Something doesn't sit right, so your body's actually saying. It's an intuitive thing. So when you're connected to yourself and you're. The more you know about your body and how you react to things, the better you get at understanding. So if you're nervous about something, it's because maybe you're coming out of your comfort zone, right? [00:47:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:54] Speaker A: You're going into an environment and you go, well, I haven't done this before. What do I do? What if I. What if I fail? What if, you know, the mindset, the. What is it? The monkey mind? [00:48:03] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Start saying, what if people judge me? What if people do this? And you. And you. You tell this narrative in your story without even getting there yet. And then you get nervous or you're maybe perhaps going into a situation where you know something's going to be confrontational because you know, somebody is presenting a certain way. So your nervous system will go, you know, and then it's kind of learning how to work with your nervous system and trust. Trusting your instincts. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:31] Speaker A: So that comes back to the healing work. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:33] Speaker A: It comes back into how you breathe, how you ground and how you reset, and it's finding your balance. And it's like we don't all. We're not all perfect at this. We're getting there. [00:48:43] Speaker B: We don't have all the answers. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Oh, gosh, no. I wish. Yeah, I wish. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Then life wouldn't be so interesting some days, that's for sure. Yeah. So I. We were talking about what. How we regulate our nervous system and in what ways and how our body can learn and unlearn things. I know that, like, as much as I've learned and I've done all these layers of healing and I practice different things daily, as you said, yoga. And I used to do yoga as well, but, you know, different mindfulness things that I'm working on and even affirmations and things. And that's just to tell myself what I should already know and say that I don't really. You know, sometimes you need reminding. So even just affirmations, read them, you know, stick them on your mirror. I've got some on my. My mirror because I've done my room at home. And that was another thing. Just the cleaning of my room and the sorting of it and getting out old clothes and, you know, cleaning everything and clearing it helped me feel like my mind has been clearer. And although, you know, you come up with things like last week I had something stressful really trigger me last week, and I wasn't on air last Tuesday, I actually had an episode of seizures, right? I had a very stressful thing present itself and trigger me. And as it happened, I was next to my car in the driveway, and Kylie, my lovely Kylie from Breathe for them, Breathwork is next door. And she came out, hey, Jen, good morning. And I couldn't talk. I was next to my car, couldn't talk. And I. I remember thinking, oh, my God, what am I doing? And I was. I couldn't verbally say anything. And I remember just trying to get to the car so I didn't fall over and I crouched down and that was kind of the last thing I remember. And then I was like, in an ambulance. But I do remember her saying, breathe, breathe. So it was really handy because she's a breath work person as well. Really handy to have a breath work person there when you have, like a collapse of something. And this is something that. I haven't had any seizures for this whole year. I think I've had one minor one, but nothing like this. Whereas, you know, last year I went through, after the car accident, after the other things, I went through daily seizures and things like that. It was trauma and it was stress and it was anxiety and was things like that. And so it was really good to have a breath work person there. And I can remember saying, breathe, you're safe, you know, and that. That was, you know, something to help me get through that. And obviously that was just a severe kind of exacerbation of something that I was living every day. So it's a reminder, even though it was crappy, to come up and happen again. It's a reminder that I used to have that experience every single day. I was living that in that nervous state, in that anxious and stressed state. And this is a reminder not to say, hey, you've just had a episode of cluster seizures. You know, it, you know, oh, it didn't. I started to worry that it was an undoing of everything I've just worked on and all the healing I've done and what it has done to me, only now that it's been a week is that I'm now reminded of all the work I have done. And even though it has happened, it's not happening every day. It's a reminder of all the work I've done, that my nervous system is in a better situation. And even though that's something really, really stressful on Monday night, Tuesday morning stressed me out to that point, I have to be kind to myself and go, hang on, you're Doing great. You're doing amazing. And we've got to remember, we've got to see the positive of these things because it's all continual. Healing isn't just, I'm going to go and get healing done, then I'm going to be healed. It's not. It's a constant thing, isn't it? [00:52:54] Speaker A: It doesn't work like that. But no, you know, for you to be able to share your story and. And show up today, share what you've gone through, that teaches other people that in your times of, you know, when we're. When we're human. Because you're having a human moment there. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Where. How is the body supposed to react to things when. When it's unexpected? I mean, life is always going to present us with unpredictable things. We can try to make sure and protect and defend everything, but life is always going to present something to us. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:32] Speaker A: And no, you're not undoing the work you did. Sometimes it feels like that we go, oh, I've done all this amazing work on myself, and then I've just gone two steps or even three steps back. No, it's. You're allowed to do that. That's part of the process. It's kind of like when you have that day or you have that moment and your body just didn't cope. Your body's actually saying something there. Your body's saying, hey, this is not good for you, or, I need to rest. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:00] Speaker A: Your body was telling you to slow down. Your body is giving you that opportunity to say, hey, I need to recharge up here. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:07] Speaker A: I needed to be, like you said, kind to myself. And when you have that off day, everybody's so hard on themselves. They go straight away like, oh, no, I should know better. I. You know, especially as us practitioners. Right. We go, oh, yeah. But we do this work. Right. [00:54:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:21] Speaker A: You know, again, that's the masking that's coming back to, oh, everything's okay. You know. No, we need to show that to people that, you know, we're humans and that we have things we're going through, like, yeah, it's okay. What you're going through, it's not okay. What you experience and the fact that you can say, this is an opportunity of growth, it's showing you. It's what you presented there is the gratitude in it. [00:54:45] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:54:45] Speaker A: That this is. I used to have this every day, and this is only coming up once. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:51] Speaker A: But it's the gratitude of recognition that. And. And gratitude to yourself. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:55] Speaker A: And gratitude in everything. Gratitude is important because it's, it's teaching not just yourself, but it's showing others not to be too hard on yourself. Sometimes the lesson isn't. Or did I deserve that? No. Sometimes the lesson is to slow down. Sometimes the lesson is to be kind to yourself. Sometimes we need those reminders, even though they have harsh, is to say where to, where to step up and when not to step up. But your body's the first one to tell you. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:27] Speaker A: How you're supposed to navigate. So, like, well done for. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:31] Speaker A: For getting through that tough week, but just also showing up and showing everybody, like, the realness by showing up and sharing. And sharing. Because it's important that other people realize that. No, nobody has it perfect. Nobody has it all, you know, set out. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:49] Speaker A: It doesn't work like that. And the healing work is amazing when you are ready for it and you're open to it. But it takes time and it's different for everybody. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:58] Speaker A: So, you know, sometimes people say, oh, look at this person. They just seem like they're doing so well and everything, but you don't know what they were doing behind the scenes. Behind the scenes and what they continue to do. [00:56:07] Speaker B: And, and the recipe for someone's healing feeling, you know, they might go, oh, you know what? I've been doing Reiki and I had some breath work and I've, you know, I'm doing yoga. That might not be your recipe, that might not be your combination. So it is always worthwhile. Yeah, sure. Try these things if you're called to them. And especially also try practitioners that you feel called to someone that you feel that connection with because you're going to get more beneficial healing or reading from someone you instantly have that connection with. So it might be that you're sharing that same frequency or the energy, or you come from the same kind of heart space focused kind of mindset. So you have that connection. So you're going to be amplified in your healing. So it's always good to go with whatever you're called to. And that won't always be the same for everyone. So, you know, you might have someone come to you and like, oh, yeah, wow, this was, you know, and someone else might go, you know what? Or you might even do it. Have you ever had someone go, you know what? I think you'd really benefit from this. I'm going to get this done by this person. Have you had that happen before? [00:57:19] Speaker A: What clients come? [00:57:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Like you will say, you know what? I really think you should speak to this person and get something from this person. Have you ever had that where you don't feel aligned with a client? [00:57:30] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And for me, that. That comes under the duty of care. Yes. [00:57:36] Speaker B: And authenticity as Right. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Well, yeah, so for me it's. So there'll be people that come into your alignment. [00:57:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:57:44] Speaker A: And people who come into you to like match the frequency. So some people are called to you or resonate with you. So they'll just go, oh, you're my person that I can go for this healing work. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:55] Speaker A: And I feel very honored when I can share that with someone and I can hold that space for them because I'm just the vessel there for them. So that guidance or that healing, it's them showing up in their healing journey and their self journey. But the moment when something doesn't feel like it's in my alignment, I straight away have a duty of care to that person, that client, to say, you might be better off with somebody, especially if they open up with their, you know, a lot of people, they'll open up with a lot of stuff. And then I'll go, huh? This is not my area of expertise. However, I have certain people that work with, you know, for example, counseling or art therapy or someone who does breath work or someone who does, you know, something that fits for that person. And I'm very blessed and lucky that I have a networking of people. I can say, oh my gosh, I know who you would resonate with. And then it's about the person's choice. Everybody has free will. So you give somebody like a business card or, hey, would you be interested and allow that person to make that decision and choice? Because, you know, person needs to make that decision and choice by themselves. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:10] Speaker A: So they don't have to feel. Like you said, if sometimes people do yoga and do Reiki and they said that didn't do anything for me. Well, that's not their thing. But it could be movement. It could be movement in the body. So it could be somatic work or dance movement or doing something very tribal where you're dancing and beating to a drum, to a medicine drum. Right. So it's. When we refer people to other people, it's alignment too. So the universe, when you're doing that, it's, it's, it's an energetic thing. [00:59:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:43] Speaker A: Because what you pass on to other people, it will align for them. [00:59:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And also back towards yourself by doing the right, you know, being honest and being authentic in that and, and, and saying no, I really think you should, you know, some people, and I've I've. I've seen and heard a lot in the spiritual community where even Selva, who does the show on Thursdays, she had someone that she didn't. One time she had one person that she didn't have anything for them. And. And she said, no, I don't. And she was told by the person organizing that expo to just make it up. And so she left, didn't go back to work for them. And so that was because she was honoring. [01:00:31] Speaker A: She has integrity. [01:00:31] Speaker B: Integrity. Yeah. And so. Yes. But quite often, as the organizer of that event, obviously has none because she said just make it up. So she's there for the money. See, I'm here to help people, as are you. And that's why we have this understanding and connection because we're authentic. [01:00:52] Speaker A: And we also got to look at it that when we see a person who's acting in that level, that's just where their soul's at. Right. So sometimes people might not be aware of it and. Or some people are going on that frequency. And so when that's not in alignment for your friend, for example, she straight away said, that's my boundary. [01:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:15] Speaker A: Right. So it comes down to boundary boundaries. So it comes down to a choice. So everything is choice. So when something doesn't resonate or doesn't align. [01:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:25] Speaker A: That's your opportunity to listen to your intuitiveness. Right. So if you're intuitive, as said in that particular situation, this doesn't sit right. This doesn't align with me. [01:01:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:33] Speaker A: You go, she, she did the right thing in that situation. She walked away and said, this is not for me. So it's not about. When you're looking at it on both sides of it, there might be a reason that person presented that way. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:50] Speaker A: But that's where that soul levels are. But yeah, by standing in your truth, it's where you stand and where your alignment is. Everything is choice. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:00] Speaker A: You know, that's really brave for your friend to go. That's not for me. Some people stay in those situations because they don't. It comes down to people pleasing or they don't want to. You know, how do I put it? [01:02:13] Speaker B: Like you don't want to rock the boat. You don't want to rock the boat. [01:02:17] Speaker A: That's what I had in my. [01:02:17] Speaker B: Actually, yeah, actually we did an event. We did an event. I won't say the one. And I did a chakra workshop. Do you remember I did a talk at an event. Remember this just popped in my head and I was talking for. I was only supposed to talk, I think, for 45 minutes. I ended up in there for an hour and a half. And I ended up with the most people of all the workshops that day because I ended up going into things in such great depths that it was. It was actually amazing. Like, I was so nervous. Like, before, I was nervous at public speaking. Like, it's just not my thing. Did you come in and see me do that talk? [01:02:58] Speaker A: No, I came a little bit towards the end. Towards the end? Yeah, I was watching on the side. [01:03:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:03:04] Speaker A: I couldn't get in because it was filled. Yeah, it was absolutely full. [01:03:08] Speaker B: And then I ended up not only showing them about, talking about all the chakras, and I showed them all the tools that I have with the chimes, the singing bowls, the tuning forks, all the things. Right. And I let people have a go of them. After the workshop, anyway, I went into other things, and I'd finished, and I came out and I was told off about something on my stall. Now, obviously, there was different stalls in this little library, and I'd put, like, little crystals or whatever I had on the front and put, like, a cheap amount as a. Like a lucky dip for kids that were there and was donating that money to the door, which was, I think, Lifeline for the event. And I got in trouble for doing that because there was a crystal stall that was in the. In the library. Do you remember this? And I. I got spoken to like I was a child, and I said, I've just done this workshop for an hour and a half, and I've come out and you're telling me off because I have a little. Few little crystals on my stall, which I'm donating to Lifeline, which is the whole point of doing this event, to raise money for Lifeline and to bring awareness and. And healing and, you know, spirituality to people. And I got spoken to like, that. I was quite upset, and I'm walking back to my store, and I'm like, oh, well, I'm not. You know, I was donating it, and then I was told not to donate it because the money wasn't going to go to Lifeline. The person that organized it was going to keep it. Do you remember what I did? I left. I packed up my stool and I left off. Yeah. I was like, right, I'm out of here. I am not here for someone to be lining their pockets when they're saying that they're going to donate the money to Lifeline. And hearing that, I just left. And that was going on. Not by making money or not by, you know, being whatever. I mean, I obviously could have trodden on a few toes by doing that, but my morals were compromised in what they were doing, like my. My values. And so quite often, you know, we do meet people that are in this kind of industry to monopolize on people's misfortunes or. Or stresses. So, you know, I don't know what. Because it's so fashionable, I think, to be spiritual nowadays, some people are only in it for the money. [01:05:38] Speaker A: So spirituality, we're all spiritual. [01:05:41] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:41] Speaker A: Right. But we're all having the human experience. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:45] Speaker A: So it's like when we look at things, do I need to be spiritual by wearing a certain thing, acting a certain way? I'm not saying acting like performing, but it's like, do I need to do dress a certain way, like with crystals and things like that? No, you don't. It's showing up in your authenticity. So crystals are a tool. [01:06:07] Speaker B: Right. [01:06:07] Speaker A: And they've got healing modalities and healing properties and elements in them. You know, we love crystals, Right? [01:06:13] Speaker B: Absolutely. We're rocking them in here. Yeah. [01:06:18] Speaker A: In that particular scenario that happened, that experience, what you had, it's. You were just on a different alignment. Right. So when you're in a different alignment to someone else, that's. It's energy. Right. So you straight away went, I'm not doing this. [01:06:36] Speaker B: No. [01:06:37] Speaker A: This doesn't resonate with me. [01:06:39] Speaker B: No. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Not. I'm not here for this. And by making that choice to walk away, that shows your values, your integrity, but it also shows you a boundary there. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:49] Speaker A: That you didn't stay there. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:52] Speaker A: That you honored yourself. And then a lot of people, of course you're uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable. Because that's not the intention that you're aligned. [01:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah. It felt disingenuous. [01:07:03] Speaker A: So the moment that. That doesn't fit for you, you in that situation for yourself, you did the right thing because that is for you, that's a boundary and that's. That's your values. And we should never compliment. Compromise. Compromise. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Our values. Right. [01:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:20] Speaker A: So a lot of that is called, like, stepping up in your truth. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Right. Expressing your truth. Not everybody's brave to do that, Jen. [01:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:29] Speaker A: You know, some people will go, I know this is happening, but I don't want to say anything because I don't want to rock the boat. And so some people will just go, okay, I'm not doing anything. I'm not saying anything. And it doesn't mean. [01:07:40] Speaker B: Then I've also done that. [01:07:41] Speaker A: But there's nothing wrong with doing that. Sometimes people are trying to be amicable or trying to keep the peace. [01:07:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:47] Speaker A: And you can do that. [01:07:48] Speaker B: Well, they just don't like confrontation. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Well, they don't like confrontation, unfortunately. Fortunately, sometimes confrontation is not about, like. [01:07:57] Speaker B: For me, sometimes it's necessary. [01:07:59] Speaker A: Confrontation is, is having that opportunity to how you're going. Because it's a choice in how we're going to respond and how we're going to react and how people treat us as well. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:09] Speaker A: So in that situation, you know, next time. So next time you go in like, and say, next time I make sure when I go to the next thing, I sign up for the next. These are my values. These, these are things I do not go against. [01:08:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:25] Speaker A: You've set. So you set different boundaries for yourself and everything is alignment. The moment you didn't stay there in that environment, you leveled up. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:35] Speaker A: Right. The moment you, you said, this is not for me, you honored your truth. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:42] Speaker A: And if people decided to stay, that's where they were at in their alignment. So everybody's going to do something different in that scenario. Some people might be okay with it. Some people might go, I don't even know what to do about that. So it's not saying that they weren't making, they were making a conscious choice to go, okay, this is, I need to process. Because everybody processes things differently. [01:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So for you, it was alignment big time. So it's listening to yourself. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, even since then, I've been in situations where I've needed to stand up and do things, and not always have I been so brave. Sometimes I'm like, you know what? I just really can't bear more confrontation right now. So I'm just going to see if this settles. And quite often than not, it amplifies. And. Yeah. And then you can, you have to do a bigger, more confronting kind of. [01:09:33] Speaker A: But sometimes it's the universe's way. As well as we know this, it's the reason that situation gets presented to ourselves. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Right. Especially if it's been presented in a different way. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:44] Speaker A: Right. You say, oh, I've been here before. Last time maybe I stayed quiet. Maybe this is where I need to speak my truth or this is where I need to put the stronger boundary in all this is everything is an opportunity of growth. [01:09:55] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. We need to not be too even recognizing that. [01:09:58] Speaker A: Right. There's the awareness of it. And going back to the spiritual side. We're all spiritual, spiritual people. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:04] Speaker A: But it's, it's about, it's about being true to yourself, but it's about the energy. You can feel energy and you can feel vibration. [01:10:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Right? [01:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:15] Speaker A: So when you come in that loving frequency, people will feel that. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:21] Speaker A: When you're not being authentic, people will feel that. [01:10:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:23] Speaker A: When you're coming in with integrity, people feel that. When you're coming into any other sort of reactions or things, people feel that everything is vibration, everything is energy. [01:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:35] Speaker A: And people do pay attention to it. So like us, we're intuitive. [01:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:39] Speaker A: We'll pick up things a little bit more like, wow, I can feel that from here. Right? Yeah. And you go, does everybody else feel what I'm feeling? [01:10:47] Speaker B: Hello, you guys. [01:10:50] Speaker A: That's because that's where our, like, that's how we navigate. [01:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:56] Speaker A: And I think it was really great that you shared that because maybe other people have experienced that and didn't know how to react or how to respond or, or maybe they felt like, oh, I would, I didn't know that was an option. Could I have done that? So that sharing your story too allows other people to see? [01:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, it's something I haven't actually thought about since, but I obviously didn't make a scene because that's not what the environment. [01:11:24] Speaker A: You were very professional and how you did it, you made it very like when you did, it was like I knew something was off straight away, but at the same time it was like you touched base with me and it was like, unfortunately that's, you know, sometimes we have experiences that we unfortunately sometimes are unpleasant and sometimes they're uncomfortable again, but. Uncomfortable. [01:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:47] Speaker A: So sometimes when they're uncomfortable, it's showing you, does this fit? [01:11:51] Speaker B: It's an opportunity for growth. [01:11:52] Speaker A: It is. Because then you go, is this, is this the environment I want to be in? Is this what I want to do? Because it gives you an opportunity to reflect. So you can go home with that and go, next time when I do something, I need to have this standard or this boundary. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:12:11] Speaker A: So it tells you where to fine tune. It tells you what to let go of and what to keep. So it shows you where you want to step up. And other people may see it differently. They might have had a different perspective and that's okay. That's just where they were at. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:25] Speaker A: Right. But what you did is you honored yourself there. And it's important that you, you know that you're that example for others. Because when you do that, you, you stand in that strength and that courage for doing that. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you. [01:12:40] Speaker A: You're welcome. [01:12:42] Speaker B: We might Cut to a song. I've got some Foo Fighters here. This song, this is everlong. And I've actually got a verse from this song to tattooed on my rib cage there. It's like one of my favorites. Well, it is actually my favorite. So here we go. Foo Fighters, Everlong. And this is the acoustic version. Yes. [01:13:00] Speaker A: More music, Better Mental Health, only on IPL radio. [01:13:08] Speaker B: And you're back in the studio for all the Things. Tuesday night. It is 8:41. We were going to only do a two hour show, but we've gone a little bit over and that's okay because I think the messages are needed. We've been talking about all the Things tonight with the lovely Linda from Ascenda Triber. [01:13:25] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:26] Speaker B: Yes. I wanted to talk about the courage to rebuild after burnout, grief or trauma, just briefly, maybe to wrap it up, because we were talking about, you know, going through things that really kind of contest you and, you know, coping mechanisms or trauma responses. And this is a big thing with me. You know, sometimes your trauma responses will be completely different depending on where you are at with your healing. I. I think that it's important to recognize that breakdowns are sometimes breakthroughs, but in disguise. So I think from reflection, my biggest growth has come through some of my hardest times and biggest challenges and some of the most, you know, deepest burnouts, I guess. And sometimes you need to be stripped of everything that you thought you needed to be shown what actually really matters. Do you, do you agree with that one? [01:14:36] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely, yes. Sometimes it's necessary. [01:14:41] Speaker B: Yes. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Right. So it feels unpleasant, but it's. It's needed. Sometimes it's rebirthing. [01:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:14:50] Speaker A: It's rebirthing the true self. [01:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:53] Speaker A: To come through. So sometimes those particular type of lessons, even though they are just not. Sometimes it's just. It's messy. Sometimes it's just. We look at it and we can say it's unfair, but sometimes they're necessary to look at the parts of yourself that if. So, for example, if you're triggered, it's looking, it's reflecting, going, if I'm still affected by this, this is something I have to work through. Oh, if this is presenting in itself, this is something I have to step up into. So it's a rebirth. And yes, you can pick yourself up, put the pieces together, what it is, it's not going to look the same. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah. But it's not meant to. [01:15:32] Speaker A: And that's the thing shedding the older version of you. And so you have gratitude for that older version of you. Like, thank you for holding the space for me. Thank you for being here for me. And then when you're presented with that level up and that growth, it's like when you're doing that rebirth, it's like, it's needed, it's necessary. It's that step up in your alignment. [01:15:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:58] Speaker A: So. [01:15:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:58] Speaker A: And it's like we always are grateful for how we held ourselves during that process. [01:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:05] Speaker A: Sometimes it's something you have to let go. [01:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:07] Speaker A: And sometimes that can feel like grief sometimes because you go, I really love that part of myself. And you don't lose part of yourself. It's just you. Oh, but I used to be like this. Right. And it's like you're still a lot of that. But what. It's an upgrade. It's a growth. Evolution. [01:16:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:24] Speaker A: And so honor that where you're at and just. It's a stepping stone to moving forward and being present. [01:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think a lot of the time I wrestled with because of all the changes that I've gone through in the last 12, 18 months. And a lot of the things I wrestled with was having that need to feel like, to. To be who I was before trauma happened. So you're like, I'll be fine. I'll get through this. And then I've just got to get back to being myself. But the whole reason for all of that, the trauma, the lessons, the breakthroughs, the breakdowns, you know, it's all about becoming a newer, better version of yourself. And. Yeah. And it is. And it. Sometimes that does come in those. You know, I was unsettled to think, am I not ever going to be that person again? Because I really liked. Yeah. Who I was then. But you have to be, you know, you have to relearn or remit yourself as this healed, more knowledgeable person who's gone through these things that, you know, are sent to break you, but you're supposed to break through and. And. And honor the person that you have become and also the person that you were and know that you're not ever going to be that person again. You're going to be this bigger, better, brighter person. And that is very confronting. [01:17:55] Speaker A: It is. But people need to look at it as an integration. [01:17:59] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Right. [01:18:00] Speaker B: You're just. [01:18:01] Speaker A: You're kind of giving that. It's you. You don't lose the parts of yourself. It's a growth. It's an evolution. What it is is it's needed for the soul. [01:18:10] Speaker B: Yes. [01:18:10] Speaker A: Your soul required that lesson in order to step up. [01:18:13] Speaker B: Raising the vibration. [01:18:15] Speaker A: Absolutely. And then. So when you have this new version of yourself, it's like, welcome it, like, embrace it, say, oh, this is. And. And then we, we, we reflect on the older version of ourselves because that's staying in our comfort zone. [01:18:29] Speaker B: That's what we know. [01:18:30] Speaker A: Right. Because that's all you know. [01:18:31] Speaker B: And because it's the last time you remember being happy or calm or safe. And so you go, I'll be okay once I get back there. Yeah. But it's not about that. [01:18:40] Speaker A: No. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And that realization there is quite confronting. [01:18:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. But once you're present with it, it's like, oh, I have to have an opportunity to get to know myself at this level. [01:18:52] Speaker B: Yes. And it's like, wow, how amazing is that? [01:18:54] Speaker A: But it's out of your comfort zone. It's unknown, but it's like we have to look at the, at the positive of it. There's joy in it, and then the gratitude in it. Gratitude is always important. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [01:19:04] Speaker A: Because we're grateful. [01:19:05] Speaker B: I think a lot of people forget. [01:19:06] Speaker A: That, like, gratitude is a universal thing. So if you honor it and gratitude for everything, like there's a spiritual teacher, Mooji, he talks about the gratitude and he talks about saying thank you. So if you don't know how to work through something or you're not sure about something, just say thank you. And thank you is like, thank you for this lesson. Thank you for this opportunity. Thank you. Sometimes the power of thank you and gratitude helps you to work through that, to that next step. Absolutely. You're moving forward. [01:19:38] Speaker B: I think sometimes in the initial stages of these growth periods, which are uncomfortable and messy, sometimes in the initial stages, it is hard to feel that gratitude at that, at those moments because it is so, you know, new and ugly sometimes. And I think that is easier to develop as you're getting through that and being more comfortable with who you're growing into. That gratitude is then amplified and the lesson and the, and the growth is then recognized and that's when the gratitude comes in. I've, I've. I've recognized that in, in different layers that I've, I've been healing through. And yeah, it is really. It is. It's amazing to see the amplification of the gratitude gratification as well. I didn't even mean that to rhyme then. It just came out like that. But, but that amplified gratitude, how much it is exacerbated on the other side of the lesson and the other side of the growth. It's beautiful. Isn't. [01:20:46] Speaker A: Is awesome? [01:20:46] Speaker B: It is, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you want to talk about. So have you got an event on tomorrow? [01:20:53] Speaker A: Yes, I do. So if anybody, I. So I'm doing my medicine drum journey. So it begins. It's a journey of being in a relaxing space through visualization guidance through the medicine drum. And it's an opportunity to have a release and let go of what not long disturbs you. So each session is about align your body, mind and spirit. It restores the balance in your energy field. It's activation in your inner peace and your self healing. But it's also supporting that clarity, but bringing grounding and emotional release. [01:21:29] Speaker B: Oh, beautiful. [01:21:29] Speaker A: And yeah, I know. So it's. It's just. If anyone's able to attend, it's at the Lakelands Community Garden and it's just on my page. It's just a small exchange of like $10. [01:21:44] Speaker B: $10? Yeah. [01:21:45] Speaker A: And what time is that one at 9:30 till 10:30. [01:21:48] Speaker B: 9:30 to 10:30. And that's in Lakelands Community Gardens. I'll share, I'll share that. If you've got a link, I'll share that on the IPL social and also your business page. So if anyone is resonating with anything that Linda is saying and or her energy, you can then find out a way to contact her through IPL social pages. I did have something. How we met, because you're talking about your medicine drum. Do you remember how we met? I came to a deer drum healing. [01:22:21] Speaker A: Oh, you did? [01:22:22] Speaker B: Yes. And it was at your house. That's right. [01:22:25] Speaker A: Years ago when I was living. [01:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. And I bought tickets. I think I was online or something. I bought tickets online. Had no idea that we actually used to go to the same classes or something. Or maybe we hadn't started yet, but we ended up in the same spiritual classes as well. And I bought tickets online. There was three of us that came and it was just like a medicine drum healing thingy. And then, you know, I met you and you were pregnant. You were fully pregnant then, actually. How old's realm now? He's five. Five. [01:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:00] Speaker B: And are you chanting at this event tomorrow? Are you doing your. Because one thing that honestly wowed me, not only was your drumming buzz, but you're absolutely amazing voice because you do chanting with the drum and it just. It goes through your whole entire soul. I've got goosebumps. It goes through your whole entire soul. And your voice is so healing and so beautiful and radiant. And I know there was a period there when you were going through your stuff that you stopped chanting. And are you Chanting tomorrow with your medicine drum. Or is this different? [01:23:41] Speaker A: It's slightly evolved from there. So there is, like a bit of chanting in the process. Yeah, but there is a lot of, you know, like. So when it's intuitive. [01:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:53] Speaker A: So it depends who comes to the mix. Yeah. Everything is. I'd love to say it's always the same. Same, but it's always not. [01:24:00] Speaker B: It's always different. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Right. [01:24:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:01] Speaker A: But, yeah, the chanting is that shamamic type of. Yeah. Because I've done some shaman studies, so it's a little bit of bringing that into the mix of, you know, of the grounding. But it's also that. That connection to, you know, the elements, it's connection to basically bringing forward that heart space, that connection to heart space. And. And being able to be held in that space together. And the fact that I've got it, I'm doing it in the garden. [01:24:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:33] Speaker A: You know. Beautiful. Again. Beautiful. And it's a community that's just, you know, they're all about giving back to the community. So. Yes. What I put into the drumming, I love that I have this opportunity to be in. So it's. Everything's community. Right. [01:24:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:52] Speaker A: So just being part of that atmosphere and just being part of the people who just dedicate their time. [01:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:59] Speaker A: To bring that forward for community. Beautiful. Yeah. [01:25:03] Speaker B: You do have a really amazing and powerful healing. I just. Yeah, you do. Wow me. And. Yeah. So I just want to say thank you so much for doing the show tonight. [01:25:14] Speaker A: It was quite interesting. [01:25:16] Speaker B: It just feels like we're just sitting here having a yarn. [01:25:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. So cool is the kind of conversations we have. [01:25:21] Speaker B: We do, we do. And that's what we were talking about today and this is kind of how it came up. We're just talking and I'm like, you know, people really would benefit from this conversation. And I'm like, you should come and do the show or. And it's like, oh, yeah, I'd love to. And then you're like, are you doing the show tonight? I'm like, oh, my co hosts, one's training and one's doing something. I might have to call the show. And you're like, no, I'll come. And it just happened. [01:25:45] Speaker A: And by the way, that spur of the moment. Never had practice doing radio work. This is my first time. You're doing. Yes. This is about coming out of your comfort zone in order to do that. Yeah. Sometimes you have to take that leap and just go for it. And I've got support from my partner and I've got the support from my friends. [01:26:03] Speaker B: And do you want to do a shout out to Mark? [01:26:04] Speaker A: Yes, I do. Thank you, Mark. So it's about doing something that and people go, oh, I can't do it. Well, I had all of that coming to the studio, having like, how do I sound? How is this going to come across? [01:26:20] Speaker B: What am I going to say? [01:26:21] Speaker A: What am I going to say? Like, you know, I wasn't prepared. I kind of just. And I love working improvised because I do that so well. Well, yeah, I just. You do. I do. [01:26:28] Speaker B: I, I, if you seriously, you sound like you have TED talks right now. You do, you did amazing. [01:26:33] Speaker A: Awesome. So you know, we do that. Yeah. Sometimes that is part of the spiritual work too is, is being, it's awareness because any energy is. Is energy. Right. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Your vibration doesn't change when you're being yourself. [01:26:47] Speaker B: No. [01:26:47] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? [01:26:48] Speaker B: So, and the fact that we are at that same level we have and this message and has been so amazing and I've, you know, I'm loving sharing these things and these aren't things we've actually spoken about. Oh, we're going to say this, we're going to say this. It was just like, you know what? This is what's coming out and it just, it just evolved into this and that's. [01:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I hope everybody tonight that has been listening, thank you for the support. But also remember that you are not alone and there are other like minded people who have these particular conversations and you know, there is that sense of community. [01:27:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean being able to share it and having IPL as a platform and talking about all the things with your lovely self tonight has been amazing and yeah, no, thank you so much and I hope that you will come back. I know you will. I can see it, I can see it if you don't run away. [01:27:43] Speaker A: You planted the seed. [01:27:44] Speaker B: I have. You're a seed planter too. You know, we're all. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Thank you very much everyone for joining, joining us for all the things at IPL radio tonight. It is 8:55. We were going to go to 8:30 but you know, it's just been such an information session of sharing and healing. Healing for us to be saying these things as well. Hopefully we've reached you with something that you needed to hear also. Enjoy the rest of your week and if, yeah, if you want to check out Linda or go to her drumming or any future events, I will put her on the IPL socials. So thank you very much and have a great evening. Thank you Linda. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Thank you, Dan. And thank you, everyone. Have a great week. [01:28:27] Speaker B: Awesome. [01:28:29] Speaker A: Your voice, your community station. You are listening to IPL Radio.